What If Bowman issued a '42 Play Ball Set...Sets that never were

[topcat61]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Not to be a buzzkill or anything but do you have permission to use the images of players like Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio? The estates of many of the players in your "set" would be a bit upset at your use of their images if you didn't have permission to do so.

Also there is thought that Gum Inc actually did produce cards into 1942 and that is why some 1941 Play Ball cards can be found with and without 1941 copyrights on the first series cards, and potentially making the second series cards a 1942 production.

It depends on what state he's in. For instance, I live in Massachusetts where the right of publicity is murky at best. Some states it is clearly defined and others there are no rights of publicity after the person has died.

Anyway, I like the idea that this could invoke younger generations to get interested in Baseball and collect cards. I wouldve loved to have seen what Gum, Inc had in the works for other sports stars in Football, Golf, Boxing and Tennis, especially if they were sticking to their 1941 models. I always wondered if they had some mock-ups stashed away at the printer or George Moll's Ad Agency or something? This is pretty neat.

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by topcat61

It depends on what state he's in. For instance, I live in Massachusetts where the right of publicity is murky at best. Some states it is clearly defined and others there are no rights of publicity after the person has died.

Anyway, I like the idea that this could invoke younger generations to get interested in Baseball and collect cards. I wouldve loved to have seen what Gum, Inc had in the works for other sports stars in Football, Golf, Boxing and Tennis, especially if they were sticking to their 1941 models. I always wondered if they had some mock-ups stashed away at the printer or George Moll's Ad Agency or something? This is pretty neat.

You are well informed.
You also "get" the idea here. Imagination and fantasy are huge components that draw us to collecting, in general. I am actually hoping there are some other guys here that have some sets or singles that they have made with ORIGINAL designs with a year assigned.
That's what I wanted to draw out in the thread.

[rhettyeakley]

Apparently Phil didn't like my question which I felt was a valid one.

His response to me...


First, you are, indeed a buzzkill...and a rather confrontational one. A simple "hey, that's neat...looks like a shit-ton of work" or just move on. BUT, since you asked, I pay thousands of dollars to license images, use public domain images and, also own thousands of pre 1960 images--including nearly 700 original Conlons. I am a vintage negative collector. You putting "set" in quotes speaks volumes of your level of tolerance for anything you cannot comprehend.

How about "Hey, Phil, how do you handle the licensing on these? How does that work?" in a private message--or even in the thread?
You didn't ask that, because you aren't actually interested in the information or response--only to be a "buzzkill".

Frankly, many estates absolutely love the cards and have them in their possession. There is one fellow that I will not include in any sets as he requested it due to the "tobacco and ale" moniker. I respected that. As far as estates having any say on an image I license and don't retail, not much to talk about there.

The second remark about Play Ball actually doing a '42 set is interesting and more on point. I'm sure he thought about it...he probably thought about a lot of things. At the end of the day--he didn't do a '42.



I am actually not very confrontational on this board and help out other collectors & board members whenever I have a chance and simply asked a question about the use of the images of those players who have estates that protect the images of the players. I know Topps for example has exclusive rights with certain long retired (and deceased) players to produce cards of them.

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Apparently Phil didn't like my question which I felt was a valid one.

His response to me...


First, you are, indeed a buzzkill...and a rather confrontational one. A simple "hey, that's neat...looks like a shit-ton of work" or just move on. BUT, since you asked, I pay thousands of dollars to license images, use public domain images and, also own thousands of pre 1960 images--including nearly 700 original Conlons. I am a vintage negative collector. You putting "set" in quotes speaks volumes of your level of tolerance for anything you cannot comprehend.

How about "Hey, Phil, how do you handle the licensing on these? How does that work?" in a private message--or even in the thread?
You didn't ask that, because you aren't actually interested in the information or response--only to be a "buzzkill".

Frankly, many estates absolutely love the cards and have them in their possession. There is one fellow that I will not include in any sets as he requested it due to the "tobacco and ale" moniker. I respected that. As far as estates having any say on an image I license and don't retail, not much to talk about there.

The second remark about Play Ball actually doing a '42 set is interesting and more on point. I'm sure he thought about it...he probably thought about a lot of things. At the end of the day--he didn't do a '42.



I am actually not very confrontational on this board and help out other collectors & board members whenever I have a chance and simply asked a question about the use of the images of those players who have estates that protect the images of the players. I know Topps for example has exclusive rights with certain long retired (and deceased) players to produce cards of them.

I stand by every word. Although I attempted to keep things between two men private, I predicted you would follow EXACTLY as you did, by posting it. Your type is dreadfully predictable.
You are, indeed, a confrontational, childish fellow.
It's ok. I'm sure you have good qualities, too. This area of one's life is, hopefully, a small sample size.
If you had any inkling of what motivates me and what I do--and, perhaps, vice versa, we would get along well.
Today, you just acted like a woman with a bad haircut , ugg boots and a latte that wants to "see the manager"

Finally, you can see above Orioles54 asked a "legitimate question" and received an honest, detailed, response.
Not being a dick is actually pretty easy. I'm not actually thin skinned...just tired of group think and rudeness.

[Orioles1954]

Hey Phil....three questions for you. Why do you think these “retro themed” art cards are generating such a following? If someone wanted to commission a card what would be your rate? Finally, where in the world did you come up with the brand name? 😀

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Phil68

I stand by every word. Although I attempted to keep things between two men private, I predicted you would follow EXACTLY as you did, by posting it. Your type is dreadfully predictable.
You are, indeed, a confrontational, childish fellow.
It's ok. I'm sure you have good qualities, too. This area of one's life is, hopefully, a small sample size.
If you had any inkling of what motivates me and what I do--and, perhaps, vice versa, we would get along well.
Today, you just acted like a woman with a bad haircut , ugg boots and a latte that wants to "see the manager"

Finally, you can see above Orioles54 asked a "legitimate question" and received an honest, detailed, response.
Not being a dick is actually pretty easy. I'm not actually thin skinned...just tired of group think and rudeness.

Really man, childish name calling now? (although it is funny to be called a "Karen" that actually made me laugh pretty hard) I had a legitimate question that you took personally, all because I put quotes around the word "set". Not sure how this makes you look good in any way? Your cards look nice, your attitude sucks.

What exactly did I post that was rude?

[RCMcKenzie]

I think it's just a misunderstanding between you guys. Quotes can sometimes be taken the wrong way. I think if the cards sold for a lot of money, people would be coming out of the woodwork to get paid...