Small Traditions LLC/SCANDAL UPDATE

Stampsfan · #1 02-19-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by buymycards

In the past few years, I have sent two lots to PWCC. I would say that roughly 1/3 of the items sold for well above my expectations, 1/3 sold at for what I expected, and 1/3 sold for under what I felt I could have sold them for myself. I think that PWCC's perceived sold prices are specific to certain items, and the high prices don't carry through on all items...

This makes sense. I know in the past when I bid or buy, I have to check the shipping. Regardless of this controversy, PWCC (and Probstein, and sometimes COMC) have outrageous shipping charges.
For a high end item I will pay $50-$100 to ship. For a $25 item, I'm not even bidding when shipping is $25-$35. This may be one reason some cards may get the eyeballs, but not the bids.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #2 02-19-2020, 02:45 PM

and it replaces the "no buyer's premium" as a revenue stream.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 09-13-2021, 05:29 PM

According to a post today on Blowout, the Small Traditions website is permanently gone.

Anyone who didn't follow all the outed cards on Blowout, here's a link. Some stunners here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1345291

Snowman · #4 09-14-2021, 10:11 AM

I wonder if he's actually in legal trouble or if he simply failed to succeed in running his own auction site. I'm guessing it's the latter since his eBay store is still fairly active with recent sales.

samosa4u · #5 09-14-2021, 10:40 AM

I don't think he took his website down because of what BODA did. He can make more money selling his cards through other auction sites.

Yoda · #6 09-14-2021, 11:32 AM

I feel pretty confident that when PWCC launches its' new platform, we will see an avalanche of PSA graded cards on offer and undoubtedly some will have been messed with. But if you offer them, they will come.
As big as Ebay is, I am sure they miss the revenue PWCC provided, and it obvious that vintage, maybe outside of Probstein, has dried up on Ebay. The simplest solution, of course, is to stop buying any PSA graded cards and move to SGC or Beckett. That is wishful thinking.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 09-14-2021, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

I feel pretty confident that when PWCC launches its' new platform, we will see an avalanche of PSA graded cards on offer and undoubtedly some will have been messed with. But if you offer them, they will come.
As big as Ebay is, I am sure they miss the revenue PWCC provided, and it obvious that vintage, maybe outside of Probstein, has dried up on Ebay. The simplest solution, of course, is to stop buying any PSA graded cards and move to SGC or Beckett. That is wishful thinking.

What makes you think SGC or Beckett are any better at stopping altered cards?

drcy · #8 09-14-2021, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

As big as Ebay is, I am sure they miss the revenue PWCC provided

Makes one think it was a big (legal?) issue for eBay to kick PWCC off.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 09-14-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I don't think he took his website down because of what BODA did. He can make more money selling his cards through other auction sites.

Funny how he ran his site and his own auctions for many years and didn't discover that. I think you're totally wrong here my friend.

Lorewalker · #10 09-14-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

I don't think he took his website down because of what BODA did. He can make more money selling his cards through other auction sites.

Well he absolutely stopped running auctions specifically because of being outed by BODA. I am not IT dude but the server error that displays I think suggests it was more than an expired domain but that the data from the site has been wiped out.

Snowman · #11 09-14-2021, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I am not IT dude but the server error that displays I think suggests it was more than an expired domain but that the data from the site has been wiped out.

It's not an expired domain. It means that he probably still owns the domain but that his server is corrupt for some reason. Could be he just needs to upgrade it. Could be that the server got hacked. Who knows. But he hasn't ran any auctions for what, a year and a half now? Is that right? He probably just doesn't have time or doesn't care to fix the server issues, whatever they are.

Though plausible, I highly doubt this is some new development in the FBI's ferocious pursuit of card trimmers.

Snowman · #12 09-14-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Well he absolutely stopped running auctions specifically because of being outed by BODA.

How successful was this auction site before that though? Was he a real player in this space? I'd never even heard of them before BODA posted about it.

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