Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by Arsenal83

I posted this on the Collector's Universe forum and the idiot moderator banned me 2 minutes later..

I guess they figure what people don't know won't hurt them. From what I've been told "ignorance is no defense"

[Fuddjcal]

Frankly, You all can give me shit for speaking my mind and what I firmly believe is a billion dollar fraud going back 20 years. That is not joke. I really don't give a shit about you nay sayers that just want to keep the PSA gravy train rolling. I think you are short sighted and don't stand up for what you believe is right. Either that or you have no moral compass....or perhaps you are too pigheaded or just a complete asshole that only cares about yourself?

I would rather have my old sagging bat winged balls sliced off than to support a company that rips people off consistently and doesn't give 2 shits about their customers.

My parents taught me to stand up for right and wrong and that's what I'm going to do and continue to do until the day I die. I am not part of the problem. I am trying to get the word out and help just 1 person.

If you can't stop associating with criminals to enjoy your hobby or to make money, that's on you. You imbeciles know who you are.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Frankly, You all can give me shit for speaking my mind and what I firmly believe is a billion dollar fraud going back 20 years. That is not joke. I really don't give a shit about you nay sayers that just want to keep the PSA gravy train rolling. I think you are short sighted and don't stand up for what you believe is right. Either that or you have no moral compass....or perhaps you are too pigheaded or just a complete asshole that only cares about yourself?

I would rather have my old sagging bat winged balls sliced off than to support a company that rips people off consistently and doesn't give 2 shits about their customers.

My parents taught me to stand up for right and wrong and that's what I'm going to do and continue to do until the day I die. I am not part of the problem. I am trying to get the word out and help just 1 person.

If you can't stop associating with criminals to enjoy your hobby or to make money, that's on you. You imbeciles know who you are.

All the work is being done by BODA. Your parents may have taught you that yelling and screaming on a bulletin board = standing up for whats right, but they were wrong.

I’d argue your act on this forum does more harm then good. You are loud, divisive, and from what can tell aren’t involved in the solution. And if you have known about this stuff for 20 years, then where the f!@# where you the last 19.5 years to stand up for whats right and wrong, like your mammy and pappy taught you?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by japhi

All the work is being done by BODA. Your parents may have taught you that yelling and screaming on a bulletin board = standing up for whats right, but they wrong.

I’d argue your act on this forum does more harm then good. You are loud, divisive, and from what can tell aren’t involved in the solution. And if you have known about this stuff for 20 years, then where the fuck where you the last 19.5 years to stand up for whats right and wrong, like your mammy and pappy taught you?

+1 BILLION (see what I did there)

How about the name calling and insulting what people collect? Since you say "people don't get your humor" guess what? It aint funny. Plenty of comedians out of work we can hire. If I posted "idiots and dipshits collect t206s" I don't think I'd be able to stick around here very long. Insulting what people collect isn't why the board exists.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Frankly, You all can give me shit for speaking my mind and what I firmly believe is a billion dollar fraud going back 20 years. That is not joke. I really don't give a shit about you nay sayers that just want to keep the PSA gravy train rolling. I think you are short sighted and don't stand up for what you believe is right. Either that or you have no moral compass....or perhaps you are too pigheaded or just a complete asshole that only cares about yourself?

I would rather have my old sagging bat winged balls sliced off than to support a company that rips people off consistently and doesn't give 2 shits about their customers.

My parents taught me to stand up for right and wrong and that's what I'm going to do and continue to do until the day I die. I am not part of the problem. I am trying to get the word out and help just 1 person.

If you can't stop associating with criminals to enjoy your hobby or to make money, that's on you. You imbeciles know who you are.

And you think SGC is completely innocent? PLEASE....After PSA and SGC, who else do we need to blame? Beckett?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

And you think SGC is completely innocent? PLEASE....After PSA and SGC, who else do we need to blame? Beckett?

Well, sure. PSA grades most of the cards, makes most of the money, and thus deserves most of the blame simply by volume of its misses, if nothing else. If you pay for something you don't get, that's a problem. If you pay for a complete miss that people end up getting screwed on, that's a problem That is a no-brainer IMO. That does not exonerate SGC or BVG by any means. I feel the same way about them. They don't get a pass either.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

And you think SGC is completely innocent? PLEASE....After PSA and SGC, who else do we need to blame? Beckett?

No sir, the entire industry is crooked, IMHO PERIOD

[drcy]

I've often wondered if collectors (as in some, not all) overtly and all but advertise that they don't care about accurate grades or correct identification of alterations, what would be their argument for items they bought that are wrongly authenticated?

"I want my money back. This card was mislabeled."
"But you collect cards that are mislabeled."

[Touch'EmAll]

This scandal is now not new. There has been plenty of time to sit back, reflect, weigh opinions, digest this whole mess, and come up with a game plan for your own collecting. Personally, I put all buying of significant (to me) cards on hold and doubt I pick up anything new of significant value anytime soon. I still enjoy collecting, however, and have changed to collecting new raw cards of the current players I like - Yelich, Trout, Steph Curry, Giannis, few others. But darn them (PSA), really sucks what they have let through. I blame them more than anyone. They are supposed to be the professionals. They have failed doing their job. If they were on the ball, had caught the majority of alterations, and slabbed accordingly, this hobby wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

[swarmee]

Yep; I made the decision to liquidate my PSA collection (some of which is currently up on eBay; see the BST eBay section for more info).

I never really spent much with PWCC or Probstein, and PSA blocked me for letting people know how crooked they are. I'm really interested in seeing how this all falls out. If the class action depends on the number of cards that passed through my hands or that I graded through PSA, I'll definitely take a piece of that action.

[Snapolit1]

The lasting effect is prices will drop, and when a recession finally hits the value of some cards will come way down.

I don't have the time, or frankly energy, to spend hours of my life sleuthing around. I'll buy cool stuff that is rare and enjoy. Days of chasing nice grade cards is winding down. Just too much risk of getting bit in the arse.

Would you plow real money into a stock if there was real questions about the legitimacy of their financial disclosures? I sure wouldn't.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

This scandal is now not new. There has been plenty of time to sit back, reflect, weigh opinions, digest this whole mess, and come up with a game plan for your own collecting. Personally, I put all buying of significant (to me) cards on hold and doubt I pick up anything new of significant value anytime soon. I still enjoy collecting, however, and have changed to collecting new raw cards of the current players I like - Yelich, Trout, Steph Curry, Giannis, few others. But darn them (PSA), really sucks what they have let through. I blame them more than anyone. They are supposed to be the professionals. They have failed doing their job. If they were on the ball, had caught the majority of alterations, and slabbed accordingly, this hobby wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

Not to a great extent, but I have also dabbled in raw modern singles of current players. I haven't totally stopped buying vintage, but I have changed the way I scratch my baseball card itch. I also have learned to love low grade vintage issues that I am familiar with from reliable sources.

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[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by drcy

I've often wondered if collectors (as in some, not all) overtly and all but advertise that they don't care about accurate grades or correct identification of alterations, what would be their argument for items they bought that are wrongly authenticated?

"I want my money back. This card was mislabeled."
"But you collect cards that are mislabeled."

Just to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have cared if they "treated" the cards as long as they disclosed it from the beginning. It's the Fraud I'm pissed about.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Just to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have cared if they "treated" the cards as long as they disclosed it from the beginning. It's the Fraud I'm pissed about.

I don't know... I'm actually pretty pissed at anyone who "treats" a card in a manner that the alteration is irreversible and permanent.

A. They've unnecessarily destroyed an important piece of history

B. Even though they had no ill-will or intent to re-sell or deceive, no one lives forever (credit to Oingo Boingo). And when those tainted cards are passed down, there's a good likelihood that they'll end up in numbered slabs (assuming nothing changes as a result of the FBI probe). And then the saga continues... despite the lack of intended fraud.

I'm with Adam in the sense that if Slabs have become too much worry and stress, look for segments of the hobby that are not reliant on TPG. There are many wonderful and fulfilling directions the hobby can take you!