T206 Question ?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Card stock on t213-1 is legit, but how do you reconcile with American Beauty, which is skinnier than all other T206s? I think the best argument is that each of t213 and t215 has post 1911 versions. But the fronts of those versions look different, at least with the blue caption.

American Beauty's are allegedly smaller due to packaging constraints as per what Teddy said above. The one rebuttal to his (hey Ted) post is that the 3rd series of T213 were issued in 1919. I doubt T206s were.
Your (Ryan) other agreements are valid . I really need some more T206s so I don't keep showing the same ones over and over!!

[buymycards]

This is a little off topic, but it is interesting that, after the break up of ATC, the only tobacco companies that used the T206 images were the Louisiana brands, People's, Red Cross, Coupon, etc. So, after the success of the T206's, why were the T206 style cards only issued in Louisiana?

There must of been many other companies selling cigarettes, but none of them chose to include cards with their tobacco products, other than Fatima T200, T222, and the T330 Piedmont Art Stamps, none of which used the T206 images. The Fatima's and Piedmonts were issued in 1913 and 1914, which was before the U.S. entered WWI.

Even the T213-2's, which were issued between 1914 and 1916 were issued before the U.S. entered the war in August of 1917. The T213-3's were issued in 1919, after the war ended in 1918. T214's were issued in 1915 and T216's between 1911 and 1916.

There are several questions that can be asked about the above statements, but I certainly don't know the answers.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by buymycards

This is a little off topic, but it is interesting that, after the break up of ATC, the only tobacco companies that used the T206 images were the Louisiana brands, People's, Red Cross, Coupon, etc. So, after the success of the T206's, why were the T206 style cards only issued in Louisiana?

There must of been many other companies selling cigarettes, but none of them chose to include cards with their tobacco products, other than Fatima T200, T222, and the T330 Piedmont Art Stamps, none of which used the T206 images. The Fatima's and Piedmonts were issued in 1913 and 1914, which was before the U.S. entered WWI.

Even the T213-2's, which were issued between 1914 and 1916 were issued before the U.S. entered the war in August of 1917. The T213-3's were issued in 1919, after the war ended in 1918. T214's were issued in 1915 and T216's between 1911 and 1916.

There are several questions that can be asked about the above statements, but I certainly don't know the answers.

Can Rick or anyone tell me why Red Cross are considered a Louisiana issue?

[buymycards]

As I understand it, a large find of T215's were discovered in Louisiana quite a few years ago, so they are considered a Louisiana issue.

Personally, I do not consider the T215's to be a Louisiana issue. They were printed in New Jersey, unlike the T211's, T213's, T214's, and T216's.

I have been putting together a type set of cards that were printed in Louisiana, and this set does not include T215's.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by buymycards

As I understand it, a large find of T215's were discovered in Louisiana quite a few years ago, so they are considered a Louisiana issue.

Personally, I do not consider the T215's to be a Louisiana issue. They were printed in New Jersey, unlike the T211's, T213's, T214's, and T216's.

I have been putting together a type set of cards that were printed in Louisiana, and this set does not include T215's.

Of the five sets mentioned, the only one that I don't think was produced by ALC in NY would be the T216s, which remind me more of the E90's. I don't really see ALC loaning out the art or transfers to anyone else.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by steve B

Of the five sets mentioned, the only one that I don't think was produced by ALC in NY would be the T216s, which remind me more of the E90's. I don't really see ALC loaning out the art or transfers to anyone else.

T216s are odd birds indeed. They do have the fronts of e90-1, as well as many other E cards and a few D cards. In fact, they are the only T cards with these fronts. And, that’s why I love all t216 Wagners, because aside from t206, which is impossible, t216 are, I believe, the only tobacco cards with Wagner on them.

Jgrace- sincere thanks for posting and I am glad this thread is helpful. I did not discover this site until after I fell headlong into t206s, and the knowledge on this site about pre 1922 issues (especially T and E cards) is the reason this is a top site I visit. Plus I have made many friends

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

American Beauty's are allegedly smaller due to packaging constraints as per what Teddy said above. The one rebuttal to his (hey Ted) post is that the 3rd series of T213 were issued in 1919. I doubt T206s were.

Hey good buddy,

I don't think I will ever convince you the 1910 COUPON cards are really T206's.....and, you will never convince me otherwise.....Que Sera, Sera
Anyway, I'll make one more effort to sway you with this illustration......


-------------------------------------------------------- Issued Spring 1910






Followed by...…



Issued 1914 - 1915 ----------------------------------------- 1913 - 1914 -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1919



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TED Z

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