Name that card...T213-2 sheet layout and distribution by year

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice one, Ted. I think the issuers may have used the T206 card of Ed to depict Rudy Sommers, so actually it should be, or could be T213-2 Summers (Sommers, Rudy). I think they did the same with Larry Chappelle with Cleveland. Maybe on purpose, or maybe an error. I need to look at the set some more and come up with other error cards. Rob

[nolemmings]

There are several players in T213-2 that are captioned for teams on which they did not play during 1914-1916. Looking at my spreadsheet, I see the following that fall in this group:
Bridwell-Nashville
Campbell, St. Louis Nat.
Geyer- St. Louis Nat.
Hoblitzell, Bos N.
Hummel, Brooklyn Fed
Murray, KC
Quinn, Buffalo Fed
Sweeney, Bill-- Boston AL (but went to Red Sox Spring training in 1915)
Sweeney, Jeff– Richmond (unknown Sweeney played for Richmond 1915) and
Warhop, St. Louis Nat.

Also, in addition to the Rudy Sommers noted, the Camnitz, Savannah card is probably Harry Camnitz, who pitched there in 1915, Hoffman Peoria is likely Izzy Hoffman, player/mgr there in 1915, and the Tim Jordan Fort Worth card is meant to cover a different player by that name who pitched there in 1914-1915.

[tedzan]

Hey Rob,

Is there a T213-2 Cincinnati version of Chase ?


……………………………. 1914 ..………...…………………………………………………………….. 1913 ………………………………………………... 1919 (T213-3)


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, I have not seen a Chase Cincy card. I suppose one could be possible. I have the 6 from the checklist...The three poses, Trophy, Port, and Throw each for Chicago and Buffalo.

Todd, thanks very much for that list. I looked into the team changes a few years ago, but I've lost my notes and need to re-learn much about the set.

I spent some time researching the career of Ed Sweeney. Sweeney has a lot of cards in the sets I collect. For some reason, the Hobby calls him "Jeff", not to be confused with Boston's Bill. The reference sites call him "Ed" with no mention of "Jeff" as a nickname.

Sweeney played from 1909-1915 for the Yankees/Highlanders. He played for the Pirates in 1919. Toledo in 1916. Could he have also played for the Richmond Climbers for 31 games hitting .181 and is the anonymous "Sweeney" on the roster?

Did the issuers use 5 year old card images for different players with similar names?
Also, on your list you have "Hoblitzell Boston Nat" did you mean Boston Amer., ot am I getting them confused? Rob

[RCMcKenzie]

Here is Ed Sweeney's T205 card. No mention of him being called "Jeff".

edit to add an old thread on this topic. A book called The Yankee encyclopedia refers to him as "Jeff"

www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=91661

[tedzan]

Hi Rob

Like you, I find it quite interesting that T213-2 cards actually provide us a pretty good idea of when American Litho issued certain
cards. For example, displayed here are Ames and Devore. The NY Giants traded both of these guys to Cincinnati on May 22, 1913.

Ames (Cincinnati) is shown here, and I think the T213-2 Devore (Cincinnati) card exists.

Subsequently, Ames was acquired by St Louis Nat. (July 24, 1915). I have seen a T213-2 Ames (St Louis Nat.) card.

Devore was acquired by the Philadelphia Phillies on Aug 11, 1913 (from Cinci.). His T213-2 card is shown here.

Devore retired from MLB in 1915....and became part-owner (and Player-Manager) of the Chillicothe Babes (Ohio Minor League team).
There is a T213-2 card of Devore with a Chillicothe caption.

Hey guys, let's explore some more of these T213-2 subjects who played on several teams during the 1913 - 1915 timeline of this set.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[buymycards]

Here is Ames, St. Louis and Devore Chillicothe

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