T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[JackW]

Awesome update, Ted.

You set the bar so high.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ted, I find that Piedmont and Sovereign 150s can tend to be off center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. But that Sweet Cap 150s (fact 30 or otherwise) do not suffer a similar fate. Thoughts?

Happy New Year, Ryan

Your observation is correct. Especially, with certain PIEDMONT 150 cards. The Green Cobb is one of the best
examples of off-center top-bottom, with a smaller top border. Here is the Cobb in my PIEDMONT set...........

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

* * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *





I have identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which are unique in this Series in that they share a common pattern. They were NOT PRINTED with
these four popular T206 backs....CAROLINA BRIGHTS, El PRINCIPE de GALES, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR. The majority (190 subjects) in the 350-only Series
were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. And, including the CB, EPDG, OM, and PB backs.

Although, this group of 36 subjects is printed with the A - B - C - D backs, unlike the other 350-only Series subjects, these cards will not be found with CB, EPDG,
OM, and PB backs
I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore,
it suggests that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format)….and, this press run was very early in the
game (circa Spring of 1910). I base this on my understanding that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS and POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910.

I'm sharing this information with you guys, who get a big kick out of putting together T206 runs. So you do not have to go off on a wild-goose chase searching for
certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR backs.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.

Note.....
In my rush to post this, I forgot to include in my original post here that the EPDG backs are also No-Prints within this group of 36.
EPDG has been included now.


TED Z
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[stutor]

Wow Ted. I’m always looking for patterns within the set to help me understand how everything fits together, and this is certainly a neat pattern that you have found. Thank you for sharing! It certainly seems that these 36 were printed, as you said, ‘exclusively’ of the others in the 190 card group.
How does this information fit with the ‘double name’ card of Rossman? Rossman is 350 only but does not belong in the 190 group because he isn’t available with the ABCD backs. However, there is a P350 ‘double name’ card of Rossman with McBride’s name at the top. One would think any double name card involving one of your 36 group would have BOTH players from the 36 grouping.
I hope my wording of all of that is somewhat coherent. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again for sharing the group of 36.

Sonny

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by stutor

Wow Ted. I’m always looking for patterns within the set to help me understand how everything fits together, and this is certainly a neat pattern that you have found. Thank you for sharing! It certainly seems that these 36 were printed, as you said, ‘exclusively’ of the others in the 190 card group.
How does this information fit with the ‘double name’ card of Rossman? Rossman is 350 only but does not belong in the 190 group because he isn’t available with the ABCD backs. However, there is a P350 ‘double name’ card of Rossman with McBride’s name at the top. One would think any double name card involving one of your 36 group would have BOTH players from the 36 grouping.
I hope my wording of all of that is somewhat coherent. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you again for sharing the group of 36.

Sonny

Hi Sonny

Your wording is perfect.

OK, I'll start with displaying my simulated 48-card sheet of 350 Series T206's. I constructed this sheet years ago to get an idea how American Litho (ALC) printed these cards.
This sheet represents the 48 subjects (Major Leaguers) in the 1910 COUPON set. It is the only realistic source of how ALC printed the T206 cards. In this case, ALC simply took
an early 350 Series pre-printed sheet of cards and printed the COUPON brand on their backs. We have evidence as to the timeline of the COUPON's issue date from Macon (GA)
newspaper clippings (dated Feb 1910).

In the upper left 2 rows of this simulated sheet you will find McBride and Rossman. Rossman retired from MLB in Sept 1909. Therefore, he isn't part of the gang of 190 subjects
printed with the A-B-C-D backs which were introduced by ALC in the Summer of 1910.

Now, the 36 subject sheet, which I am referring to, was printed early in the game (circa Spring of 1910). I base this on my understanding that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS and the
POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910.


1910 COUPON (T213-1) Major League (48) subjects





TED Z
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[stutor]

Thank you Ted. That makes perfect sense. Rossman was grouped with McBride on a sheet printed early in the 350 only series. Then Rossman was pulled early in the series (hence he is only available with P350, SOV350 and SC 25 and 30 backs). Your group of 36 is a configuration that was printed shortly thereafter. I appreciate the insight.

The more I learn, the more questions I have. Lol.

Sonny

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

My research has identified a group of 36 subjects in the 350-only Series which share this common pattern....they were NOT PRINTED with the normal
CAROLINA BRIGHTS or OLD MILL or POLAR BEAR backs (or any combination there of) like many of the other 350-only subjects were. The majority of
the T206 subjects (190) in the 350-only Series were printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, DRUM backs. Of which these 36 were also.

I find this quite interesting, in that it indicates that these 36 guys are sort of "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series.
Furthermore, it indicates to us that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own (composed of multiples of a 12 x 3 card format).

I am sharing this information with you guys, who get a big "kick" out of collecting T206 runs. So, you do not have to go off on a "wild-goose" chase
searching for certain cards that really do not exist.

Checklist of these 36 subjects which are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR backs.......

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.


TED Z
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Ted!! Your giving away some of our best secrets.



The T206 set is one of the most fun sets to research!! I'll have to compare this list with the Tolstoi's and their populations compared to others from the main print group.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Ted!! Your giving away some of our best secrets.



The T206 set is one of the most fun sets to research!! I'll have to compare this list with the Tolstoi's and their populations compared to others from the main print group.

Ron

I would bet a T206 (or two) that approx. 1/2 of these 36 guys were printed with TOLSTOI backs. American Litho started printing the TOLSTOI brand early in the 350 Series game.

I look forward to your findings.


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Ron

I would bet a T206 (or two) that approx. 1/2 of these 36 guys were printed with TOLSTOI backs. American Litho started printing the TOLSTOI brand early in the 350 Series game.

I look forward to your findings.


TED Z
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Hi Ted, I hoped to find a clean pattern but that doesn't always happen with this set. Initially the Minor League cards jumped out at me so that's were I started. Here's what I have so far. Maybe others will chime in on their thoughts or findings. This is only for the 37 cards mentioned. I split the Minor League cards from the others. There is always the possibility that they all exist with Tolstoi backs but just haven't been found yet. Cards on David Hall's list can't be confirmed 100 percent until that particular card shows up at a Heritage Auction. Danny Hoffman has been confirmed as seen on the next post even though the population report shows zero.