Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I'm just pissed that I was ripped off. Mostly just mad at myself because in the back of my mind, I knew.

I feel the same way. Throughout 20 years I sent thousands of cards to PSA for grading and was a 'platinum' member. I knew they weren't perfect, and believed some things here and there fell through the cracks. I let their staff treat me like garbage, but believed in the product so much that I was the first guy to their defense when anti-graders bashed them. Looking back, I was the fool. I've been liquidating my graded .99 seven day no reserve auctions the past couple months. I have most of a PSA/DNA set that I couldnt stand the look of now, so I cracked then out. I'll never buy graded again and, ironically, find myself on the anti-grader side of debates in FB forums. I guess I needed the actual visual proof BODA provided to wake me up. Now I only collect raw in binders.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I feel the same way. Throughout 20 years I sent thousands of cards to PSA for grading and was a 'platinum' member. I knew they weren't perfect, and believed some things here and there fell through the cracks. I let their staff treat me like garbage, but believed in the product so much that I was the first guy to their defense when anti-graders bashed them. Looking back, I was the fool. I've been liquidating my graded .99 seven day no reserve auctions the past couple months. I have most of a PSA/DNA set that I couldnt stand the look of now, so I cracked then out. I'll never buy graded again and, ironically, find myself on the anti-grader side of debates in FB forums. I guess I needed the actual visual proof BODA provided to wake me up. Now I only collect raw in binders.

The Market Was Manipulated, Sold Pricing/VCP starting late 2013.......My mind and memory goes back two 2 HOF Rookie Cards..... both stayed at the same level’s for PSA 8’s for years then all the sudden they went crazy stating end of 2013... I’m talking about Rose and Ryan Rookies...they were marketed as critical blue chip assets pieces...
What a Crock Of S**T.....Give me a Break......

No way I’m calling total Market Manipulation by So Called “Investors” and others.....such a farce....top it all off there are thousands of more altered cards in the Bogus So Called Market Place...it’s deep rotten and wrong...

Top it all off the TPG’s Don’t Know their Asses from a Hole in the Ground when it comes to knowing wether a card is trimmed or altered.....Or Far Worse They’re In on it with Certain Big Time Submitters... Invitationals ?????

Very Sad on Many Levels

[Bigdaddy]

Ran across these reprints of Mike Trout serial #'d Bowman Chrome auto cards on Etsy. The seller lists them as reprints and is not trying to pass them off as real, but I cant believe that they won't make their way into someone's hands down the road who would do that.

Also, several other #'d, autographed reprints are listed. At a minimum, there should be some type of copyright infringement issues with these.

I've contacted Etsy and alerted them to these unauthorized counterfeit card; we'll see if there is any action.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Ran across these reprints of Mike Trout serial #'d Bowman Chrome auto cards on Etsy. The seller lists them as reprints and is not trying to pass them off as real, but I cant believe that they won't make their way into someone's hands down the road who would do that.

Also, several other #'d, autographed reprints are listed. At a minimum, there should be some type of copyright infringement issues with these.

I've contacted Etsy and alerted them to these unauthorized counterfeit card; we'll see if there is any action.

Etsy has more fake items than Coaches Corner. That same type of stuff is also all over eBay. I have been amazed for years that high end counterfeits have not made real cards completely worthless as they are so easy to make.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Ran across these reprints of Mike Trout serial #'d Bowman Chrome auto cards on Etsy. The seller lists them as reprints and is not trying to pass them off as real, but I cant believe that they won't make their way into someone's hands down the road who would do that.

Also, several other #'d, autographed reprints are listed. At a minimum, there should be some type of copyright infringement issues with these.

I've contacted Etsy and alerted them to these unauthorized counterfeit card; we'll see if there is any action.

The way Etsy operates is the copyright holder must file the report (which iniates legal action) and then Etsy pulls down the listing to err on the side of caution. If you're not the copyright holder then you may be liable for damages if found guilty of copyfraud.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

The way Etsy operates is the copyright holder must file the report (which iniates legal action) and then Etsy pulls down the listing to err on the side of caution. If you're not the copyright holder then you may be liable for damages if found guilty of copyfraud.

Yep, finally got a reply from them stating that. So unless Topps contacts them, the seller is free to keep using Etsy to sell the fakes.