If You Started A Grading/Authentication service today...

[conor912]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have a complete SGC graded set and they do take up WAY too much space. I think if a honest grading company used a smaller version of what is posted in the first link it would be a giant improvement over the thick slabs that are offered now.

Yeah....that’s way more gasket than I had in mind, but it’s certainly close otherwise!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Phil68

I posted this over at CU...

Using what you've learned from your experiences and needs regarding 3rd party G/A, what would your business model look like? You're in charge. Go...

One that is honest.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Phil68

I saw where PSA took this exact thread down after one reply. What did I miss? Has that whole company lost its collective mind? I haven't been on community message boards for awhile but if you can't discuss what collectors value on a collector chatboard...what, exactly, should one discuss? I would think they would watch that thread like a hawk and respond to the needs/wants of their customers where it's possible...maybe even engage in responses of why something isn't feasible, etc.
The moderator said it could "get ugly"?

You missed that PSA is actively trying to sweep the entire grading scandal of 2019 under the rug. So your post implying that a different grading company should come into being is something I would have easily expected to get you banned from their website. Consider yourself lucky you just got your post locked. PSA doesn't want your suggestions; they just want your cash.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by swarmee

You missed that PSA is actively trying to sweep the entire grading scandal of 2019 under the rug. So your post implying that a different grading company should come into being is something I would have easily expected to get you banned from their website. Consider yourself lucky you just got your post locked. PSA doesn't want your suggestions; they just want your cash.

But why would anyone remotely want to participate in any forum in which thoughtful/insightful posts are censored, and honest people with good intentions are banned?

Come on, Sheeple!!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

But why would anyone remotely want to participate in any forum in which thoughtful/insightful posts are censored, and honest people with good intentions are banned?

Come on, Sheeple!!

That is a very good question.

Maybe it fits their collecting habits, maybe they are bored and have nothing better to do.

[Fred]

It's almost as if "regulation" of TPGs should be required.

Ensure graders are trained and know what they're looking at.

Only allow highly qualified graders to assess high value cards. These highly qualified graders would "register" as an expert and be provided with a "grader ID" number.

The graders name would remain anonymous in the event some type of legal assessment was being weighed. At least the collecting public could see a pattern if one were to emerge with a specific grader. It also adds a little credibility to the TPG. The thought is that if the TPG has to keep things transparent then having people accountable may actually produce a more "realistic" TPG that is actually not associated with "sales" or potential sales.

Kind of hard to believe there isn't something going on today with all the crap we've seen in the past few years.

Bottom line, there needs to be accountability in the TPGs.

[1952boyntoncollector]

i'd have a card database (owner registry) so the same card couldnt be sold on the market if a person can verify if the serial number is already owned by someone else who isnt selling it...also avoids fraud...

id also have a a 'best of the best' card award...

[Phil68]

Originally Posted by Fred

It's almost as if "regulation" of TPGs should be required.

Ensure graders are trained and know what they're looking at.

Only allow highly qualified graders to assess high value cards. These highly qualified graders would "register" as an expert and be provided with a "grader ID" number.

The graders name would remain anonymous in the event some type of legal assessment was being weighed. At least the collecting public could see a pattern if one were to emerge with a specific grader. It also adds a little credibility to the TPG. The thought is that if the TPG has to keep things transparent then having people accountable may actually produce a more "realistic" TPG that is actually not associated with "sales" or potential sales.

Kind of hard to believe there isn't something going on today with all the crap we've seen in the past few years.

Bottom line, there needs to be accountability in the TPGs.

I'm astonished this isn't already in place. Seems like the grader ID would be in place since Day 1

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Dumb question. Coins is a much older market, and has been grading longer. Did they ever undergo a similar scandal/issue? Did they get through it? I guess it's harder to "trim" a coin, but I know there are lots of things done to improve their appearance.

Nothing I can recall that was quite like this. But as someone else mentioned, there have been all sorts of problems.

In stamps, which has had authentication for a LONG time, there has been a comparable situation. The Philatelic Foundation had a person who was the one entering the certificates into their computer. That person would ensure that stamps submitted by an alterer got good certificates, even if the expert committee had put in writing that it was bad. (Fake, altered, repaired, whatever. ) One of the guys doing the faking even had a license plate that was "stamp MD"

But they handled it right, Immediately reviewed all of a dealers submisions when the first one was discovered by an employee, tightened security and processes, bought back what stamps they could find (Fired the guy responsible, who was also arrested)
They built their reputation back up, and are one of the better authenticators, generally for US stamps.
Each country does the authenticating slightly differently.
Germany they used to stamp the expertizers name on the back.
They have had scandals too, one expert was essentially the only expert in one narrow field (Upper Silesia overprints) He was also the source of many fakes, all certified by..... him.
That one didn't have a happy ending...

[steve B]

Link about the scandal at the PF
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...069-story.html