Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

There should be a grading company that simply assesses authenticity. No "grades". Just tell me if it's real so I can be 100% sure I'm not buying a reprint online. Beyond that. Every buyer can make their own determination on condition. At least then all the fraud would be above board.

AMEN!

I've been saying this exact thing for years. But nobody cares or agrees...

They're all too caught up in their Pops, 9s and 10s. I guess that somehow a third party randomly assigning a number grade (right or wrong) gives them a high of sorts.

Would love to see it all come crumbling down, but am not holding my breath.

[Republicaninmass]

Is there a prize for the most people posting a row on one's ignore list?

[perezfan]

I'd consider it a badge of honor to be on that list.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'd consider it a badge of honor to be on that list.

Not quite there yet!

[perezfan]

[jasonkaiser25]

Just a question out of curiosity.... Obviously almost everyone agrees that selling a card that has been altered without disclosing it is wrong. Do you think that if you have a card that has been graded and you crack it out of the slab and sell it raw that you have an obligation to disclose what the grade was?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jasonkaiser25

Just a question out of curiosity.... Obviously almost everyone agrees that selling a card that has been altered without disclosing it is wrong. Do you think that if you have a card that has been graded and you crack it out of the slab and sell it raw that you have an obligation to disclose what the grade was?

Only if you know it's altered.

Otherwise, no obligation, as it's just arbitrary anyway. The buyer of the card can just judge it for themselves. No "expert opinion" or randomly assigned number is necessary!

[drcy]

Originally Posted by jasonkaiser25

Just a question out of curiosity.... Obviously almost everyone agrees that selling a card that has been altered without disclosing it is wrong. Do you think that if you have a card that has been graded and you crack it out of the slab and sell it raw that you have an obligation to disclose what the grade was?

A seller should give honest, informed information and represent the card accurately to the buyer. As grading is subjective and sometimes wrong and buyers often pick cards that are wrongly graded, that doesn't make disclosing the previous professional grade required. But a seller knows what information is and is not relevant and important that should be disclosed.


If you're selling "as looks like Mint" an ExMt card that was previously graded as ExMt that's deceptive, but that's so misrepresenting the card whether or not one should disclose the professional grade.

[bxb]

OK, went through my collection for the first time in a while.

Is it my imagination, or does half my collection in TPG holders look slightly trimmed?

This thread is messing with my head...

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bxb

OK, went through my collection for the first time in a while.

Is it my imagination, or does half my collection in TPG holders look slightly trimmed?

This thread is messing with my head...

Half sounds about right. Doesn't matter what grade, high, mid or low. Best of luck to you, as you dig deeper into it.

And to all others in the same boat... do not hesitate to send them back to PSA, and make them live up to their supposed "guarantee". Given their continued denial and arrogance, they should not be allowed to sweep this under the rug!

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Half sounds about right. Doesn't matter what grade, high, mid or low.

This sounds fairly exaggerated to me. Even with all the fraud being uncovered and with how there are more midgrade '50s superstar cards on the BODA list than would've been expected, it's still hard to imagine that half of all graded cards in existence have been altered.

There is way too much mediocre low-mid graded stuff out there for that, especially in the countless spots where a minor alteration would only be improving a $60 card into a $100 one.

I'd have to think that when it comes to the post WW2 stuff, the bulk of the issue would still be around grade 6-7 and up. Obviously anything earlier 20th century is a different ballgame

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is there a prize for the most people posting a row on one's ignore list?

Hi Ted.

Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.

[Johnny630]

Does anyone see a good long term outlook of this?

For me it’s going to take Until most of the money comes out of all this.......

It’s all cyclical..........Here is what I see envisioning happening........

No TPG’s will be held accountable.....their options become less valuable......doesn’t matter my mind is made up, their complicit, extremely inept, and or way worse .......

No Trimmers will do jail time.......no auction houses will do jail time.....
Repeat cycle 10-15 years down the road
You can only polish a turd so long......it’s still and will always be a turd .....very said. Prayers for something positive in 2020 for this crooked industry

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Hi Ted.

Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.

I love Ted, such a kidder. double blocked. Rats

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Hi Ted.

Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.

No such luck

[111gecko]

I believe the auction house/EBay shilling will be exposed and punished. Also, the IRS will get theirs on the trimming/kick backs etc. The rest...not so much. Just my thoughts.

[Johnny630]

How’s CLCT since joes last conference earnings call?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by 111gecko

I believe the auction house/EBay shilling will be exposed and punished. Also, the IRS will get theirs on the trimming/kick backs etc. The rest...not so much. Just my thoughts.

To me, the easiest case to make against all these losers is that they avoided their income tax. Sort of an Al Capone job. If they won't be able to get them on anything else, they always have that in their back pocket. Good times

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

To me, the easiest case to make against all these losers is that they avoided their income tax. Sort of an Al Capone job. If they won't be able to get them on anything else, they always have that in their back pocket. Good times

How do you know they didn't claim the income and pay the taxes?