Reflections on 1949 BOWMAN's (25 HOFers, many Rookies)...show-N-tell us of your cards

[jimmysuitcase]

Ted,
I have a Doby hi# that has a light-colored (not gray) back and appears to have been handcut. I bought it as a younger collector before I knew that hi#s "only" came with gray backs, and I dismissed my purchase as a reprint.

This past weekend, I saw a long-time dealer and noticed he had two Doby cards in his display case. Upon examination, I noticed that one was legit/typical and the other had a light-colored back like mine, and it was also hand cut. When I asked him about the card's authenticity, he said that it was something akin to (though maybe not precisely) a box-bottom display card.

Do you have any knowledge of or examples of these yourself, or is it likely that we may both have reprints?

James

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by jimmysuitcase

Ted,
I have a Doby hi# that has a light-colored (not gray) back and appears to have been handcut. I bought it as a younger collector before I knew that hi#s "only" came with gray backs, and I dismissed my purchase as a reprint.

This past weekend, I saw a long-time dealer and noticed he had two Doby cards in his display case. Upon examination, I noticed that one was legit/typical and the other had a light-colored back like mine, and it was also hand cut. When I asked him about the card's authenticity, he said that it was something akin to (though maybe not precisely) a box-bottom display card.

Do you have any knowledge of or examples of these yourself, or is it likely that we may both have reprints?

James

Hi James

I don't have any reprints in my sets. And, I'm not sure I understand what a "bottom-box display card" is ?

Show me some scans, and I'll give you a better answer on this.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[jimmysuitcase]

Hi Ted,
I feel silly even posting these, as the card looks so fake to me. If it weren’t for the assertion of this dealer (who shall remain nameless) and my card’s similarity of appearance to his, I wouldn’t have even mentioned it.

“Box-bottoms”: I’m not sure if you collected any cards from packs during the late 80s, but many of the wax boxes had cards on the box bottoms that could be cut out and saved. The assertion about this light-backed Doby card was that there was a similar situation in 1949. Perhaps a consumer bought the last pack of cards, and on the bottom of the box - maybe inside bottom or maybe outside bottom - were a few card images that could be cut out and saved - not by design, necessarily, but just for the heck of it.

Does that sound at all familiar or feasible? Have you encountered any 49B boxes that might’ve had such advertising?

Thanks for any feedback!
James

PS: all of my other Bowman card backs predictably are light or gray from #1-72 and gray from 73-240.

[tedzan]

Hi James....sorry for the delay, as I was away all day.

I collected these cards as a kid (Spring thru the Fall of 1949). I don't recall anything of what you are suggesting regarding the 24-count wax-pack
boxes that the 1949 BOWMAN's were in.
Furthermore, the boxes I have seen, since I returned to the hobby in the late 1970's, do NOT have anything like you are suggesting.

Now, what I can tell you is that the 1949 BOWMAN cards were REPRINTED circa 1988. All 240 cards were printed with WHITE backs.

Take a close look (under magnification) at the bottom of the back of your Larry Doby card. Look for the "Reprint" info that may have been erased.

Also, the other clue that indicates to me that this Doby card may be a reprint, is its top and right borders which are too large.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Rich Klein]

Just a quick note, I finally had some time to go through this thread. I'm going to create the slate listings for the COMC data base and eventually see if we have had to move over. Any help building the checklist is very appreciated.

(Ted, FYI -- I sent you an email about this and what I believe was what happened to Dan's health before his untimely passing.) Let me know via email or PM and any help with both of these is appreciated.

Rich

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Just a quick note, I finally had some time to go through this thread. I'm going to create the slate listings for the COMC data base and eventually see if we have had to move over. Any help building the checklist is very appreciated.

(Ted, FYI -- I sent you an email about this and what I believe was what happened to Dan's health before his untimely passing.) Let me know via email or PM and any help with both of these is appreciated.

Rich

Hi Rich

I don't do PM.....and, I haven't received your email. Please try again, my email is..... tedzan11@comcast.net


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Just a quick note, I finally had some time to go through this thread. I'm going to create the slate listings for the COMC data base and eventually see if we have had to move over. Any help building the checklist is very appreciated.

(Ted, FYI -- I sent you an email about this and what I believe was what happened to Dan's health before his untimely passing.) Let me know via email or PM and any help with both of these is appreciated.

Rich

Hi Rich

I received your email about Dan Paley. Very sad. I've known Dan since 1981. And, interestingly we met over this topic, 1949 BOWMAN's. Danny and I for many years (1984 -2011)
traveled together to Cooperstown to set up at the HOF weekend Show at the VFW Hall. A really interesting guy, who was our local expert regarding BB cards Errors & Variations.

I'll see what I can come up with for you regarding a 1949 BOWMAN checklist of SLATE cards.

Wishing you and your wife very Happy Holidays.

TED Z
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[Bram99]

See Teds answer below, it’s more complete.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Just a quick note, I finally had some time to go through this thread. I'm going to create the slate listings for the COMC data base and eventually see if we have had to move over. Any help building the checklist is very appreciated.
Rich

Hi Rich

Here's my list you requested. It's the result of collecting (and tracking) these elusive SLATE cards since 1981. Listed are 64 cards, and 46 of them are in my 3rd set of 1949 BOWMAN's.
The Hi #s (#145 - 240, plus the 12 variations) are very rare. Many of them are one of a kind. Although, some years ago, I once owned two Duke Snider cards.





I have listed them according to the Series they were printed in...…

1st and 2nd Series (sheets #1 & 2....issued together in certain parts of the country).

Cass Michaels

3rd Series (sheet #3)

75 Eddie Mayo
76 Bill Nicholson
78 Sam Zoldak
80 Bill McCahan
82 Joe Page
83 Bob Scheffing
84 Roy Campanella
87 Randy Gumpert
88 Bill Salkeld
91 Dick Wakefield
93 Ed Stevens
94 Mickey Vernon
97 Danny Litwhiler
98 Phil Rizzuto
102 Stan Spence
103 Dan Tipton
106 Jake Early
107 Eddie Lake

4th Series (sheet #4)

Ed Fitzgerald
111 Red Schoendienst
129 Billy Johnson

5th Series (sheet #5)

163 Clyde McCullough
169 Jeff Heath

6th Series (sheets #6 & 7)

182 Hal Peck
184 Bob Chipman
185 Pete Reiser
186 Buddy Kerr
187 Phil Marchildon
190 Jim Hearn
192 Harry Gumbert
193 Ken Trinkle
194 Ralph Branca
197 Johnny Lindell
198 Steve Gromek
199 Tex Hughson
200 Jess Dobernic
201 Sibby Sisti
202 Larry Jansen
205 Dick Sisler
206 Bruce Edwards
207 Johnny Hopp
210 Joe Gordon
211 Dave Ferriss
212 Ralph Hamner
213 Red Barrett
214 Richie Ashburn
216 Schoolboy Rowe
218 Dick Kryhoski
221 Bob Muncreif
222 Alex Kellner
224 Satchel Paige
225 Gerry Coleman
226 Duke Snider
230 Augie Galan
233 Larry Doby
235 Jim Russell
239 Frank McCormick
240 Babe Young
78 Sam Zoldak **
83 Bob Scheffing **
88 Bill Salkeld **
126 Al Brazle **
127 Hank Majeski **
143 Bob Dillinger **


** .…..these variations were printed on the 7th sheet (refer to Post #35 in this thread for more info regarding them).


TED Z

T206 Reference
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