Top Ten

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I don’t know pre 1900, and I am sure there are many/several. Off the top of my, sitting in the stands at my son’s wrestling match:

T206 wagner
Baltimore news Ruth
M101-5 Ruth (and related)
1915 Red Sox post card (w/ Ruth)
W600 Cobb
T206 Cobb, Cobb back
T206 Plank
T210 Jackson
1914 Cracker Jack Jackson
1914 Cracker Jack Matty
1933 Goudey Lajoie

The problem is do we count cards that are 1/1 like the Just So Cy Young? The Baltimore News Ruth has 4 copies I believe. If that is on the list, then the t206 Doyle which I believe there are 9-10 Is on the list. What are the populations of the W600 Cobb or the Red Sox PC? Or does the card need a population sufficient enough to be sold on a regular basis?

For example the cheapest sale on a Lajoie the last couple years was 22k for a PSA 2. A PSA 2 mk CJ Jackson sold for 19k. A PSA 1 CJ Matty sold for 14k. So if we take your list, which presents 11 worthy candidates, how would we choose one or two of these 3? Or do we cut the low pop cards to pick cards that are easier to value?

[Rhotchkiss]

Steve, great questions. If we are going pure value, which is what I think the OP asked, I recognize that several on my list will fall away for very rare examples (as you point out). And actually, value should be easy with a little research. I just rattled off what I think are the 11 (bc I cant count) most iconic cards from 1900-1933, many of which will also be most valuable, but some of which will not. As Pete points out, the list for iconic is likely fairly different from most expensive/valuable.

[oldjudge]

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not more common CdV)
Cobb with Cobb back
1860 Brooklyn Atlantic's CdV
Cobb W600
Ruth M101-5 Ad back (blank backs less valuable)
T210 Jackson


All of the above should exceed $100,000 with a number grade. The Buttercream Ruth and Doyle NY could fit also.

[CuriousGeorge]

Incredible list Jay! A lot of very tough ones there.

Originally Posted by oldjudge

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not more common CdV)
Cobb with Cobb back
1860 Brooklyn Atlantic's CdV
Cobb W600
Ruth M101-5 Ad back (blank backs less valuable)
T210 Jackson


All of the above should exceed $100,000 with a number grade. The Buttercream Ruth and Doyle NY could fit also.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Incredible list Jay! A lot of very toughr ones there.

LOL, I wish that was my card inventory. The interesting thing is that no one collector owns every card on the list. In fact, I believe every collector is missing at least two of the ten cards.

[CuriousGeorge]

I am missing more but definitely something to work towards.

Originally Posted by oldjudge

LOL, I wish that was my card inventory. The interesting thing is that no one collector owns every card on the list. In fact, I believe every collector is missing at least two of the ten cards.

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
1869 Cincinnati Peck and Snyder TRADE CARD (not more common CdV)
Cobb with Cobb back
1860 Brooklyn Atlantic's CdV
Cobb W600
Ruth M101-5 Ad back (blank backs less valuable)
T210 Jackson


All of the above should exceed $100,000 with a number grade. The Buttercream Ruth and Doyle NY could fit also.

Jay - The Peck and Snyder trade card is actually more plentiful in the combined PSA and SGC population reports. Total graded 34 with only 13 being cdvs. I was a little surprised at this.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Jay - The Peck and Snyder trade card is actually more plentiful in the combined PSA and SGC population reports. Total graded 34 with only 13 being cdvs. I was a little surprised at this.

Yes, but of the 21 that are P&S trade cards, how many are untrimmed? My guess is the (great) majority are trimmed.

[oldjudge]

Gary-My guess is that some are mislabeled and are CdVs. The trade card is much scarcer than the CdV, especially, as Corey says, untrimmed .

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Yes, but of the 21 that are P&S trade cards, how many are untrimmed? My guess is the (great) majority are trimmed.

I bet that most of the know Trade Cards are trimmed. To me the ones that date to 1869 are really special. I would love to have one of the early ones with the St Anns address.

[GaryPassamonte]

A quick search of REA results shows 6 trade cards and 7 cdvs. I would guess the breakdown between cdvs and trade cards is actually quite even.
Untrimmed trade cards are definitely in the minority and should command a premium.
Regardless of the breakdown, I've just never understood why this card, whether trade card or cdv, has never shot up in value. The image depicts, arguably, the most significant team in professional baseball history. It is also relatively rare with maybe 50 in existence, but not so rare to be unobtainable. I would think serious collectors would be competing to own one. It should be one of the hobby's highest demand cards, yet it has seen only modest gains in recent years. Maybe it's because it's a team card, but the strong demand isn't there.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by robertsmithnocure

I bet that most of the know Trade Cards are trimmed. To me the ones that date to 1869 are really special. I would love to have one of the early ones with the St Anns address.

The only untrimmed one with the St Anns address that I am aware of had the ice skate ad on the verso. As I recall it was returned to the NYPL as it was determined to have been stolen.

Is anybody aware of another untrimmed one with the St Anns address?

[oldjudge]

Corey-Do all the ones with the skate ad have the St Ann's address?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

The only untrimmed one with the St Anns address that I am aware of had the ice skate ad on the verso. As I recall it was returned to the NYPL as it was determined to have been stolen.

Is anybody aware of another untrimmed one with the St Anns address?

Hi Corey - I have these images in my photo library. Obviously the one example is trimmed, but you can still make out the Ann Street address

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by rats60

The problem is do we count cards that are 1/1 like the Just So Cy Young? The Baltimore News Ruth has 4 copies I believe. If that is on the list, then the t206 Doyle which I believe there are 9-10 Is on the list. What are the populations of the W600 Cobb or the Red Sox PC? Or does the card need a population sufficient enough to be sold on a regular basis.

There are 10 or 11 Baltimore News Ruth cards. I know of 6 W600 Cobbs. I would guess that there are 15 or so 1915 Red Sox postcards.

Originally Posted by oldjudge

If the card wouldn't sell for over $100,000 as a PSA1 it should not be on the list. This eliminates the Plank.

Jay - Do you think that a P&S Trade Card would sell for $100K in a 1? Also, I do not think that most M101-5/4 Ruth cards in a 1 would sell for $100K.

[oldjudge]

The question was what are the ten most valuable cards, not most valuable cards with ten or more copies. The Just So Young absolutely belongs on the list even though it is currently unique, and the T206 Plank absolutely does not. Supply does not solely determine value. There are plenty of unique cards that don’t carry a six figure price tag.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The question was what are the ten most valuable cards, not most valuable cards with ten or more copies. The Just So Young absolutely belongs on the list even though it is currently unique, and the T206 Plank absolutely does not. Supply does not solely determine value. There are plenty of unique cards that don’t carry a six figure price tag.

Sure, but the t206 Doyle absolutely would. It is more valuable than Cobb/Cobb or t210 Jackson and probably several others on your list.