Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Peter_Spaeth]

And a 4K corner job on another 52T.
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[111gecko]

So disgusting. How are those 8s? This certainly doesn't help some of the "on the fence if there is an insider at PSA grading these cards crowd)...which I am.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by 111gecko

So disgusting. How are those 8s? This certainly doesn't help some of the "on the fence if there is an insider at PSA grading these cards crowd)...which I am.

NO normal person submitting those cards would ever receive an "8".

I would be thrilled if it came back with a 6 in that condition, and would fully expect a 5 (or an "A", to be more specific). WTH is going on in Newport Beach?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

NO normal person submitting those cards would ever receive an "8".

I would be thrilled if it came back with a 6 in that condition, and would fully expect a 5 (or an "A", to be more specific). WTH is going on in Newport Beach?

They Are printing money

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

They Are printing money

Bingo. And won't stop unless they are directed by a higher power.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

They Are printing money

It amounts to that, doesn't it? It would be fascinating to see how much of these whopping profits actually gets reported to the IRS and then we'll find out if there is honor among thieves?

[samosa4u]

There are many different outlets for these doctored cards. Based on everything I have been reading so far, it looks like PWCC is the preferred choice for the majority of these card doctors. However, the earlier posts reveal that Will Jaimet was selling his cards through Memory Lane. What percentage of these doctored cards go through PWCC in comparison to the others? For example, would you say that at least fifty percent of them go through PWCC? Eighty percent? Thirty percent? What about Memory Lane, Heritage, REA, COMC? How would we divide the remaining percentage up among them?

My purpose of asking this question is to see which of the above companies have been hit the hardest, and most importantly, why they were selected in the first place. What made them so attractive to these card doctors? And as for the companies that have sold the fewest of these tainted cards, why is that? Do they have people running them who could spot some of these alterations even though they were encapsulated?

[japhi]

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

[Republicaninmass]

It's obvious, though not sure it is provable in court. I'll defer to counsel.

Many examples show:
High end consigned examples were shilled up to a point were either a doctor would buy and restore it, amd relist, or someone would be left holding the bag.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by japhi

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

So who is the in-house person at PSA who is approving and bumping all of these cards for this high-profile account? Who is the PSA representative in charge of PWCC and their band of trimmers? They're getting authorizations and multi-grade bumps at an astronomical rate, as compared to the "normal" submitter.

The latest evidence in this thread is very damning for both PWCC and PSA...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...333320&page=14

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by japhi

Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.

What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up.

Pretty incredible really, what a racket.

FOR 15 YEARS PLUS. Think about it...

And today, just another 4 K between friends...for a Sid Gordon and Alvin Chipmunk...LOL

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

NO normal person submitting those cards would ever receive an "8".

I would be thrilled if it came back with a 6 in that condition, and would fully expect a 5 (or an "A", to be more specific). WTH is going on in Newport Beach?

Some submitters are more equal than others.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some submitters are more equal than others.

Yes... and if there's a totem pole of hierarchy, I am touching the ground!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes... and if there's a totem pole of hierarchy, I am touching the ground!

Meanwhile, even without doctoring, people are making fortunes on bumps.

[Peter_Spaeth]

A slice out of the Big Dog.

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