PSA/BGS/PWCC dispute or refund thread

[irv]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

A couple months ago I received an unsolicited email from PWCC that they suspected a 1969 PSA 9 Clemente I had won the year prior might be altered. I sent it to them and a week later i received a check for the full auction price. Nothing to sign etc. Brief communication and refund.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Whatever the motivation, and I am completely cynical about that, it's better than the nothing that most industry players apparently are doing.

I'd like to know what is being is going to be done with these cards when the investigation is over, assuming these cards are being held as evidence?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

I'd like to know what is being is going to be done with these cards when the investigation is over, assuming these cards are being held as evidence?

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[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

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Hopefully!

[Johnny630]

Burn Baby Burn !

[Leon]

They are still worth money just not in the holders they are in. And at a fraction of the price.

[CuriousGeorge]

Brent is going to have a special FBI auction touting the new great investments. 2018 was $60K, now $7K!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by irv

I'd like to know what is being is going to be done with these cards when the investigation is over, assuming these cards are being held as evidence?

My idea was to put a hole punch in them like they do with playing cards that used be used in Las Vegas

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

My idea was to put a hole punch in them like they do with playing cards that used be used in Las Vegas

And you don’t think the next wave of a hole card doctors will just fix the holes?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leon

They are still worth money just not in the holders they are in. And at a fraction of the price.

Whether they are re-holdered as an "A" or labeled as trimmed/doctored, whatever, I guarantee they will be back on the market in new holders or sold as raw over and over again if the TPG's happen to be smarter the second time around.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Whether they are re-holdered as an "A" or labeled as trimmed/doctored, whatever, I guarantee they will be back on the market in new holders or sold as raw over and over again if the TPG's happen to be smarter the second time around.

That’s why a hole punch is a better solution than re-holdering these cards as “A”. It’s infinitely more difficult to restore and conceal a hole punch than it is to crack open a slab (which is exactly what would happen in “wave two”)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That’s why a hole punch is a better solution than re-holdering these cards as “A”. It’s infinitely more difficult to restore and conceal a hole punch than it is to crack open a slab (which is exactly what would happen in “wave two”)

Plus can put the hole punch all the way to the edge and at same location on most cards so first thing graders can do is check that location....

now the 'fix' can be almost anywhere as it stands.........

[Johnny630]

At this point so many things are bad all the way around, all the outed altered cards, most of the sales since 2014 and up....I can’t explain them? which ones were fake? Which ones were real? All of this Market Manipulation Distorts what the real true value of the card is in said grade whether that grade is real or a bad card. Maybe we will come back to reality pre 2014 prices on graded cards who knows I have no idea, people don’t seem to be stopping their buying habits but then again are these real sales or vaulted relisted cards idk ??
They can put holes in these altered cards or destroy them when the government is done with it’s evidence . Nothing matters anymore it’s all smoke and mirrors.