Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Can't they immediately see that the borders are waaaaaaaay thinner side to side, than top-to-bottom? This is about the 500th example, in which an immediate glance tells you its trimmed. Either PSA is spending ZERO time examining these cards, or someone there is in cahoots with these deceitful and shameless butchers.

Agree Bingo

Invitational Meetings with Graders....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

So one of the hobby (or business) dinosaurs gets outed. I'm certain there are more.

I'd be curious to know how much of the database has been examined. Have they reviewed most of the cards already or are they just scratching the surface?

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

[Johnny630]

At this point who believes PSA is not in on this at some level ???

Nothing will change....I’ve said this before they have a Teflon Non Stick Business.

PSA, Auction Houses, Major Dealers, and EBay sellers/ consigners will continue to make money hand over fist it’s all
Baked in.

People Are Hooked and Brainwashed by the slab/registry...altered or not it doesn’t Matter once it’s in a holder.

Nothing is going to change many don’t know, wanna know or care. It will blow over like it always has.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

At this point who believes PSA is not in on this at some level ???

IMHO only a complete fool and it has been that way for a very long time. It is fun to watch all the people who make tons of $ off their slabs make excuses. Especially since most of them are in on "it".

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

Jake, I'm not sure what's more appalling: your lack of legal knowledge or your inability to comprehend written English. You literally have the legal knowledge of someone who has watched two episodes of Matlock. Why don't you tell us again how the FBI should start making arrests in order to further their knowledge of the card alteration scam.

Peter S. and I were actually wondering if you even have an office. And I don't mean your mom's house. Ever wonder why not a single attorney on Net 54 agrees with anything you say? I'll give you a hint why: it's because you are merely incompetent on your best day.

As for Peter Chao, you're probably the last person who should be denigrating him as his IQ is probably double yours. I mean really -- you have the balls to suggest Peter Chao isn't intelligent? You can't even put together a full sentence. Your work desk is the same one you studied for your Bar Mitzvah on.

PS I'm assuming insults are allowed now that you seem to have changed your tune on them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jake, I'm not sure what's more appalling: your lack of legal knowledge or your inability to comprehend written English. You literally have the legal knowledge of someone who has watched two episodes of Matlock. Why don't you tell us again how the FBI should start making arrests in order to further their knowledge of the card alteration scam.

Peter S. and I were actually wondering if you even have an office. And I don't mean your mom's house. Ever wonder why not a single attorney on Net 54 agrees with anything you say? I'll give you a hint why: it's because you are merely incompetent on your best day.

As for Peter Chao, you're probably the last person who should be denigrating him as his IQ is probably double yours. I mean really -- you have the balls to suggest Peter Chao isn't intelligent? You can't even put together a full sentence. Your work desk is the same one you studied for your Bar Mitzvah on.

PS I'm assuming insults are allowed now that you seem to have changed your tune on them.

Peter S. has spoken, I mean Peter C. (I stand corrected) You seem to have a great interest in my life

Why dont you say again how all of this involves cards under $10,000.00 so who cares...ill pull the quote for you.

plus are you insinuating i a a jew. (comment about bar mitzvah) Lets not get into the religious talk when its about card board. Yes the context does not look bad, but still, not sure why a high priced attorney would try his great wit even touching a religious theme.....and it doesnt matter what affiliation you are...you shouldnt go there..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

Completely gratuitous post Jake, had nothing whatever to do with my post about the extent to which BODA is likely to be able to out altered cards which it turn was a response to a question. You took a shot at Jeff with the Peter C. reference so you clearly wanted to invite yet another round, why I don't know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Completely gratuitous post Jake, had nothing whatever to do with my post about the extent to which BODA is likely to be able to out altered cards which it turn was a response to a question. You took a shot at Jeff with the Peter C. reference so you clearly wanted to invite yet another round, why I don't know.

Eh, he as well as YOU have called me that and he was the original instigator on this and was first on this thread to invoke this name. If he didnt think he was Peter C, why would he care. If its such an insult not to be said, why did he call me that. (i dont view it as insult to me because i am not him but maybe he does which 'invited another round'

is that one of the 20 insults he was referring too?...how many insults from him do you think he made about me? Let me guess, he didnt insult me at all, however saying Peter C. thats fighting words...lol

As far as the $10,000 issue, i brought it up many times, its not like hes scared to post a defense, he never corrected me. He also disappeared when new cards with issues over $10,000 were outed.

However. I never corrected him about living on my mom's couch either though...so let me deny that one ..though i dont think its a bad thing, all depends.

So, ok he agrees there many cards with issues over $10,000.00. There was a mentioning of small claims and too much time and effort to sue so i thought the point was there was not enough value for whoever made those points.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

I agree that BODA has done an outstanding job and that the problem is vast rather than isolated. Meanwhile PSA is still playing the fiddle while the hobby is burning up in smoke.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

Wow another...... came from the coin Industry Always sneaks into shows instead of setting up and buying a table

[Rhotchkiss]

Here is a link to the article that calls out alleged trimmers. There are links to other articles and pictures of alleged trimmers. It’s a quick and easy read. Worthwhile. I have no idea about the article’s accuracy and have no comment regarding same.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Here is a link to the article that calls out alleged trimmers. There are links to other articles and pictures of alleged trimmers. It’s a quick and easy read. Worthwhile. I have no idea about the article’s accuracy and have no comment regarding same.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

I'm neither shocked, nor surprised. If accurate, it makes Operation Bullpen look like Child's Play.

Is this a new article? I had not seen it before, and do not see a date associated with it.

Thanks Ryan, for posting it.

[swarmee]

No, it's from a few months ago.

[ALBB]

Just unbelievable….and awful !

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

No, it's from a few months ago.

Yep, old news.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...portscardradio

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

I had taken a break from collecting and was living in California in 1988. I walked into a card shop and bought an SCD. I had never seen one before and found weekly auctions run by Johnny Adams Jr. I was high bidder on a NM/MT+ 1962 Bob Gibson and A NM/MT 1963 Stargell Rookie. Never thought much about trimming since I collected in the mid- late 70's. In the early 1990's I sent both off to PSA and both were deemed trimmed. Lesson learned. Fast forward to 2015 or so and I actually get a call at my shop from Johnny Adams Jr. looking for collections. I told him what I thought of him and why. He replied that he never trimmed a card, only pushed down a corner or two and taken wax off. He said he would stop by and make it up to me. Of course he never did. 31 years ago he was pushing trimmed cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bbeck

I had taken a break from collecting and was living in California in 1988. I walked into a card shop and bought an SCD. I had never seen one before and found weekly auctions run by Johnny Adams Jr. I was high bidder on a NM/MT+ 1962 Bob Gibson and A NM/MT 1963 Stargell Rookie. Never thought much about trimming since I collected in the mid- late 70's. In the early 1990's I sent both off to PSA and both were deemed trimmed. Lesson learned. Fast forward to 2015 or so and I actually get a call at my shop from Johnny Adams Jr. looking for collections. I told him what I thought of him and why. He replied that he never trimmed a card, only pushed down a corner or two and taken wax off. He said he would stop by and make it up to me. Of course he never did. 31 years ago he was pushing trimmed cards.

Some of these guys partner with guys who actually do the work and don't do it themselves, but of course are equally culpable.