Has anyone ever seen a T206 with Name, Team & Jersey lettering missing on Front?

[Luke]

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.

[Sean]

Sorry for the sideways scan, but I can't get the new computer to work with this site. Here's a card where the brown was printed on the back, along with the caption:

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[drcy]

Originally Posted by Luke

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.

I don't know, and said I don't know. If someone who knows says I was incorrect, they know.

[mrvster]

hello everyone!

great to see Chris B posting again!!!! and all my other expert peers

ahhhhhhhhh , my old Newt, what a beauty!!!!

these "no name" missing team name and caption are very rare......most of the ones are printer's scrap that are legit....


I saw your card Mac, as you consulted me before the national....your card is legit!

my old Abbott is in REA and that one is legit.....

problem:

grading companies WILL NOT GRADE ANY OF THESE AS "NO NAME NO CAPTION"

as, I am going to say it, pussies!!!lol

I spoke ,in person, to one time around 15 years ago to the owner of 1 of the 2 major grading companies....he said "forgers would actually bleach and slide the name off"

i'm not sure how that can be done????? but anyway, brown layer and cation printed simultaneously , except for some proofs and scraps( developmental)

unfortunately, none will be "legitimized" unless graded...

this is why i want to start my own grading company....

Mac, your card is scrap and good, but not in the eyes of PSA and SGC , so, essentially, you are beat!~

only because the "experts" wont grade it...

my future company will

[vthobby]

Mrvster,

Thanks for nice subtle plug on the REA "Ghost" Abbott! I hope it goes to a good home! Its been in 2 great homes as far as I know!

Future grading Co.? I'm a customer already! Hope you are not joking!

Peace, Mike

[Mac927]

In my research this is the VERY FIRST true NO NAME/NO TEAM/NO TEAM ON JERSEY. This is 100% a factory cut card that was inserted into a pack along with the 255 others that were part of this collection. This card IS NOT SCRAP or HAND CUT. No questions about the legitimacy of this being a TRUE NO NAME as you ABSOLUTELY can't bleach and Target a certain color. NO WAY POSSIBLE to remove "PITTSBURGH" on the Jersey without removing the rest of the color.

Thank you to all for you photos but I truly believe that this is the one and only card that is missing a name, team designation and jersey name! I think this is truly a HISTORIC Find and I am so excited to share with ALL of you!

I just need help getting this graded and in a holder!!!

[steve B]

That's an interesting card.

What's good is that it's also probably missing another color. Many missing colors that are real are missing a second color as well.

But there it becomes a puzzle. What other color is missing?
I'd say light blue, because all the ones I see have light blue under the uniform, darkening it and making it dark gray with light blue buttons.
But here it looks like it has light blue under the collar. And the typical dark blue is way too dark to be either.

What's the back?
Another interesting thing that would stand some looking into, is that from just a quick look, there are two different types of this card. The one shown, and the one shown here.
https://t206society.com/product/fred...ont-150-sgc-2/

Put the images side by side and see how many differences you can spot. It's fun.

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by Mac927

VERY FIRST...

100% a factory cut card that was inserted into a pack...

IS NOT SCRAP or HAND CUT...

No questions about the legitimacy of this being a TRUE NO NAME as you ABSOLUTELY can't bleach and Target a certain color...

NO WAY POSSIBLE to remove "PITTSBURGH" on the Jersey without removing the rest of the color...

one and only...

HISTORIC Find...

Whoa now!

[JohnP0621]

Great Card . Great Find.. Especially that the Pittsburg on the Jersey is missing.
You don't need a TPG to confirm what is obvious. Just get it into a slab to protect it from any further damage. If down the road you decide to sell it . A Top Auction house can fully describe the card and advanced T206 collectors will bid accordingly.
Would love to see a back scan.

Good Luck.
Regards
John P

[Jobu]

Hey Luke,

I think the brown was printed both ways - separately and as part of the full brown layer. I now think I was wrong on the frequency of those two methods (caption printed together with the rest of the layer seems to be more frequent from the errors that I see), but I think they both happened.

The Alperman proof has no name but appears to have the brown (though it is missing the rose/peach). Merkle has a high and crooked caption with the rest of the registration ok. (JV will recognize these ). Atz has the brown layer way off but the caption is where it ought to be.

Originally Posted by Luke

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.