Ebay seller returned cracked out slab

[Aplyon86]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's stick with the watch for now. So the risk is on me that the watch is defective? I really don't understand that.

The risk of destroying an accessory to the watch, yes the risk is on you. The watch itself, no. This isn't the best anology because the slab, albeit GAI and albeit they missed the alteration, did have more than an insignificant value. If you had the following 2 choices to buy the watch, would you expect a full refund in BOTH cases?

1. Just the watch (e.g. a raw card)
2. The watch, but you paid a 50% premium because it came in an expensive hand carved wooden box that you destroyed to pieces (e.g., the slab)?

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[Rhotchkiss]

I think it’s nuts we still don’t know who the seller is?

Peter/Mark and anyone else supporting the buyer here, I don’t want to get into it (we disagree), but regardless of who you think is right and wrong, would you feel comfortable selling any card to the buyer? I wouldn’t!

I think we would all be better off knowing who is out there on eBay cracking cards out, submitting them, and then returning them if they don’t fish their wish.

Edited: substituted “buyer” for “seller” twice

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I think it’s nuts we still don’t know who the seller is?

Peter/Mark and anyone else supporting the seller here, I don’t want to get into it (we disagree), but regardless of who you think is right and wrong, would you feel comfortable selling any card to the seller? I wouldn’t!

I think we would all be better off knowing who is out there on eBay cracking cards out, submitting them, and then returning them if they don’t fish their wish.

If I had a GAI high-end card, it would come down to this: IF the card is doctored (assuming I don't know), would I rather:

1. Foist it on a buyer at a near mint price, or
2. Would I prefer to know about the alterations, and deal with that event, knowing I would be selling it for thousands less.

I would like to say I would do the latter, but I have to admit, I might be able to rationalize the former, depending how much the extra money meant to me at the time.

If the former then no, because this buyer verifies authenticity of his purchases and it would be unlikely I could sneak a doctored card past him.

If the latter, then yes, because the buyer and I would both want to know the truth about the card, and him spending his own money to have PSA identify the doctoring would actually be helping me in learning the truth.

Having said that, as has been pointed out, there is a lot we don't know, and we have only heard one side of the story. I also wonder what form the PSA opinion is in, since they apparently did not slab the card.

I see both sides of this issue. It is an unfortunate situation and an innocent person is going to be hurt, since I assume the card doctor got away with his ill-gotten gain a decade ago.

[Rhotchkiss]

Sorry, I just edited my earlier post- I meant to say we should know identity of the buyer and I meant to ask would you want to sell a slabbed card to the buyer (if the GAI card in this case).

[nsaddict]

And why are some taking PSA’s word that the card is problematic? You’re paying for an opinion and nothing more. Seeing how they’ve missed a mountain of altered cards in their own holders!

[CobbSpikedMe]

I'm still calling BS on the idea that the buyer received the card, sent it to PSA, got it back from PSA and returned it to the seller all within a week. I can't believe this hasn't been discussed more than whether he should be able to return the card after he cracked it. He never submitted it to PSA guys.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I'm still calling BS on the idea that the buyer received the card, sent it to PSA, got it back from PSA and returned it to the seller all within a week. I can't believe this hasn't been discussed more than whether he should be able to return the card after he cracked it. He never submitted it to PSA guys.

eBay sale is Oct 14th and sellers first post was Nov 7th. That is 3 weeks unless I am missing something.