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Old 11-07-2019, 11:58 AM
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What was the time factor from sell date to return date? Imagine if everyone started doing this. The buyer could never lose only gain. Wtf?
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:05 PM
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Assuming you have the same card back and can sell it again, was the GAI slab really adding much value to it anyhow?
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:18 PM
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But if the cards value was affected by the number grade say a GAI 8 and is now PSA authentic then there is a big hit to cards value. And I understand if buyer did not try and cross over then card would not have lost value. But if this was a card altered by moser and sold by Brett originally and passed on a few times to an owner who did not know the pedigree. Then cracked for better grade and returned Altered, would anybody be siding with OP?
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:18 AM
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But if the cards value was affected by the number grade say a GAI 8 and is now PSA authentic then there is a big hit to cards value. And I understand if buyer did not try and cross over then card would not have lost value. But if this was a card altered by moser and sold by Brett originally and passed on a few times to an owner who did not know the pedigree. Then cracked for better grade and returned Altered, would anybody be siding with OP?
If OP did not know card was altered (and no evidence of that is present) then yes no reason NOT to side with him...

If of course he did know, well then that's a different story...
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Assuming you have the same card back and can sell it again, was the GAI slab really adding much value to it anyhow?
Great question yes since they offered a number grade.
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Assuming you have the same card back and can sell it again
The OP sold an altered card. Now, assuming he got the same card back, he hasn't lost anything. The GAI holder was incorrect, the card should not have gotten a numeric grade.

It sounds like the OP bought a card that turned out to be altered, and now he wanted to pass the loss on to the next buyer.
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The OP sold an altered card. Now, assuming he got the same card back, he hasn't lost anything. The GAI holder was incorrect, the card should not have gotten a numeric grade.

It sounds like the OP bought a card that turned out to be altered, and now he wanted to pass the loss in to the next buyer.
The buyer returned the card cracked out of the previous holder
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The buyer returned the card cracked out of the previous holder
A GAI holder that gave a numeric grade to an altered card.
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Can you please disclose the name of the buyer?

I feel the moment the buyer cracked it out of the GAI case, he altered (no pun intended) the item and thus should not be allowed to return it; at least the seller should not be forced to take the card back and give a refund.

That’s what I think. What I know is you are screwed, which sucks. Yet another reason why I don’t use eBay anymore.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:55 PM
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A GAI holder that gave a numeric grade to an altered card.
So if this is done on the 250k Namath card that was graded by PSA and it was cracked out and submitted to SGC and they said its authentic but altered. The buyers can return the card as well because after all the card was in a PSA holder that was given a numeric grade to an altered card?
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Can you please disclose the name of the buyer?

I feel the moment the buyer cracked it out of the GAI case, he altered (no pun intended) the item and thus should not be allowed to return it; at least the seller should not be forced to take the card back and give a refund.

That’s what I think. What I know is you are screwed, which sucks. Yet another reason why I don’t use eBay anymore.
This seems pretty obvious to me.
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So if this is done on the 250k Namath card that was graded by PSA and it was cracked out and submitted to SGC and they said its authentic but altered. The buyers can return the card as well because after all the card was in a PSA holder that was given a numeric grade to an altered card?
Unless there was a different $250K Namath Card... Wasn't that card sold by Heritage (after it somehow jumped from a 7 to a 9?) How would eBay policies apply to that card? Unless you are asking if it was hypothetically re-listed on eBay after the Heritage sale, who would then be liable...

Wasn't the advent of TPG grading supposed to clear up these things, and clean up this hobby?
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What was the time factor from sell date to return date? Imagine if everyone started doing this. The buyer could never lose only gain. Wtf?
About 1 week
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:34 PM
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About 1 week
Ben,

The seller was asked specifically how long this all took to happen and he said it was one week. Not three weeks.
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The seller was asked specifically how long this all took to happen and he said it was one week. Not three weeks.
Sorry missed that one. Still could easily be done with overnight shipping and about a week could easily be 10 days.
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Sorry missed that one. Still could easily be done with overnight shipping and about a week could easily be 10 days.
I suppose that could be true. I just don't feel it is all. I think something fishy is going one with this one. I still don't know what the right thing to do is, accept the return or fight it?
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Ben,

The seller was asked specifically how long this all took to happen and he said it was one week. Not three weeks.
Let me be clear a card was sent to PSA by buyer and it took a reasonable period of time
to return to me and may have been 1-2,-weeks. I believe I was advised appx a week after buyer got the card he wanted to return since he claimed PSA advised the card altered.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:14 PM
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Let me be clear a card was sent to PSA by buyer and it took a reasonable period of time
to return to me and may have been 1-2,-weeks. I believe I was advised appx a week after buyer got the card he wanted to return since he claimed PSA advised the card altered.
Would you kindly show a picture of the card and what it was sent back to you in? There is something from PSA included, yes?
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Let me be clear a card was sent to PSA by buyer and it took a reasonable period of time
to return to me and may have been 1-2,-weeks. I believe I was advised appx a week after buyer got the card he wanted to return since he claimed PSA advised the card altered.
"...a card..."

You mean, the card - the same one you sold the buyer - that was subsequently returned to you?
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Let me be clear a card was sent to PSA by buyer and it took a reasonable period of time
to return to me and may have been 1-2,-weeks. I believe I was advised appx a week after buyer got the card he wanted to return since he claimed PSA advised the card altered.
Thank you for clarifying Dave. Are you sure you received the same card back when the buyer returned it? Don't suppose you have before and after images do you?
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Don't you guys think the OP would know if he got a different card back? I am just not seeing why you keep pushing this theory.
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Don't you guys think the OP would know if he got a different card back? I am just not seeing why you keep pushing this theory.
Honestly, I don't know. But it only takes a few seconds to type "yes, I'm sure it's the same card" and click Submit Reply.
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Don't you guys think the OP would know if he got a different card back? I am just not seeing why you keep pushing this theory.
According to the OP, "Ebay high value department...advised it may not be the same card as sold."

Sound advice, in my opinion.
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