Advice on Trade gone bad - kind of.

[Jcosta19]

Sorry here is a better look at the damage accidentally posted the same picture twice.

Glad to hear I'm not completely crazy. I try to avoid trades with people I dont know unless it's in person.
This reminds me of why.

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[buymycards]

The damage was clearly his fault. If he had packaged it properly it wouldn't have been damaged. He could have initiated an insurance claim on his end through the Post Office, but it probably would have been denied because of the poor packaging.

With the Post Office, the damaged item is turned in, along with the packaging, when the insurance claim is filed. If the PO pays the claim, they keep the item for possible resale through the Mail Recovery Center in Atlanta.

I am in the minority, but if you were fully reimbursed, I think you should return the item, maybe minus a small fee to cover your time and the return postage.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by buymycards

The damage was clearly his fault. If he had packaged it properly it wouldn't have been damaged. He could have initiated an insurance claim on his end through the Post Office, but it probably would have been denied because of the poor packaging.

With the Post Office, the damaged item is turned in, along with the packaging, when the insurance claim is filed. If the PO pays the claim, they keep the item for possible resale through the Mail Recovery Center in Atlanta.

I am in the minority, but if you were fully reimbursed, I think you should return the item, maybe minus a small fee to cover your time and the return postage.

Why do you feel that way? That person didn't even step up and take responsibility for the broken item. Why should they be rewarded with a free item?

If that person would have taken responsibility and got the OP reimbursed for the broken item then they should get it back.

I would say the only "person" who should get it would be the OPs insurance company if they want it. Otherwise the OP should get it for their inconvenience.

Just my $.02



You don't owe him a damn thing. He took no responsibility for the damage and made you do all the work using the insurance that you paid for. Screw him.

^^This^^ All day, I was just trying to say it nicer.

[perezfan]

I never assume anything when it comes to shipping vintage Nodders. Regardless of the seller's level of experience, I always spell out exactly how to package and protect them. If they fail to pad the area between the neck and the head ridge, it will almost always turn out bad. These things are so damn fragile, and it kills me to see one that survived nearly 60 years get damaged due to carelessness. Enough to make a grown man cry...

That said, it is not incumbent on you to have to tell him how to package it. I do it simply to avoid disaster, but I'm sure 90% of sellers would consider me a pain in the ass. He should know better....

Ample padding inside and around the head rim
Then plenty of bubble wrap surrounding the entire doll
Then boxed up with peanuts or "filler" in the air space, to keep the doll from moving around in the box
Then double-boxed... so you have a box within a box

Sounds like he failed to do this, and also failed to file the Insurance Claim. You took decisive action, paid for the insurance, and owe him nothing. He got his item in return for what was promised, and is not entitled to anything further.

[D. Bergin]

It's seriously f*#*ing ridiculous to be honest.

If I was the other guy I'd be on my hands and knees thanking you for having the initiative to make the claim and getting made whole because of it.

Otherwise it's coming out of MY pocket, or MY insurance company, or MY hassle to file all the paperwork, and hope and stress it all comes out ok, just to make you whole on the trade.

Sad thing is, this guy deep down, probably thinks he's right.

Logically, it's kind of insane.

[D. Bergin]

Maybe he wants you to ship it back to him, so then he can make a claim on the piece. I mean, at least then, it logically makes sense, even if it doesn't ethically, morally, or legally.

All speculative of course.

[perezfan]

Or repair and re-sell it. More speculation, but equally possible.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

It's seriously f*#*ing ridiculous to be honest.

If I was the other guy I'd be on my hands and knees thanking you for having the initiative to make the claim and getting made whole because of it.

Otherwise it's coming out of MY pocket, or MY insurance company, or MY hassle to file all the paperwork, and hope and stress it all comes out ok, just to make you whole on the trade.

Sad thing is, this guy deep down, probably thinks he's right.

Logically, it's kind of insane.

What he said.

Question - if you turned around and sold the nodder for twice what you figured it in the trade for is he entitled to a piece of that? I see this almost as the same situation - You did a trade. He got his end. You got yours although part of it was damaged. He wanted no part of making that right. You (luckily for you both had private insurance that covered both your asses). Tell him you'll put whatever part of the value of the nodder he believes he is entitled to toward your next insurance premium!!

[NiceDocter]

The person getting full value payment from the insurance company is NOT ahead as much as it may seem. Wait until the next insurance premium statement comes..... your rates could easily be going up since a claim was filed. Not that you shouldnt have done this, but there could still be costs involved with making a claim just like with any other insurance (home, auto, etc) . As for the seller..... tell him to pound sand (politely of course LOL)

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by buymycards

The damage was clearly his fault. If he had packaged it properly it wouldn't have been damaged. He could have initiated an insurance claim on his end through the Post Office, but it probably would have been denied because of the poor packaging.

With the Post Office, the damaged item is turned in, along with the packaging, when the insurance claim is filed. If the PO pays the claim, they keep the item for possible resale through the Mail Recovery Center in Atlanta.

I am in the minority, but if you were fully reimbursed, I think you should return the item, maybe minus a small fee to cover your time and the return postage.

Rick, I see nothing in the original post that suggests the old gentleman had any insurance coverage for his shipment to the OP. So, I don't understand how you can say, "He could have initiated an insurance claim on his end through the Post Office ..." In actuality, I suspect that the OP's private insurance was covering both shipments.

IMHO, the key takeaway from this situation is, when doing a trade, be sure to discuss and agree with your trading partner, before shipping anything, who will be responsible for damage or disappearance in transit.

I, too, agree with the majority.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by buymycards

The damage was clearly his fault. If he had packaged it properly it wouldn't have been damaged. He could have initiated an insurance claim on his end through the Post Office, but it probably would have been denied because of the poor packaging.

With the Post Office, the damaged item is turned in, along with the packaging, when the insurance claim is filed. If the PO pays the claim, they keep the item for possible resale through the Mail Recovery Center in Atlanta.

I am in the minority, but if you were fully reimbursed, I think you should return the item, maybe minus a small fee to cover your time and the return postage.

Have they changed things in the last few years?

A friend of mine had a phonograph damaged in shipping, and filed a claim with USPS. He had to get an estimate for the repairs, and they paid for the repairs. They wanted to see the item and packing, but didn't need to take it.

I'm a bit surprised the insurance paid the entire value, I'd think the difference between the damaged and undamaged value would be what they'd pay.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by steve B

Have they changed things in the last few years?

A friend of mine had a phonograph damaged in shipping, and filed a claim with USPS. He had to get an estimate for the repairs, and they paid for the repairs. They wanted to see the item and packing, but didn't need to take it.

I'm a bit surprised the insurance paid the entire value, I'd think the difference between the damaged and undamaged value would be what they'd pay.

The procedure is different if you want to repair the item. In that case, what you described is correct.

[bigfanNY]

100% your item your insurance. Only claim on the item is insurance companies. Yes you get a chipped noddler ( but really wants a chipped noddler). I once won a 1957 or 58 Braves WS noddler it was mint... before he shipped. Came with top cracked in half. He refunded me so I sent it back. He said I could keep it but I just couldn't look at it ...And difference is HE refunded me from HIS pocket.
Like I said on top YOUR item YOUR insurance..YOUR noddler.
Good luck
J

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by buymycards

The procedure is different if you want to repair the item. In that case, what you described is correct.

But they are never quite the same, and will never again be original (once repaired). So the decision to compensate for the doll in its entirety was the right one.

[Jim65]

You don't owe him a damn thing. He took no responsibility for the damage and made you do all the work using the insurance that you paid for. Screw him.