T213 Coupon/T215 Red Cross Scarcity relative to T206 Backs

[JackW]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

T215 Pirates are wicked rare (thats a technical term). There is one almost complete set known, and a smattering of others - maybe 20(ish) known. These cards are brown old mill rare, and they sell for brown lenox/brown old mill prices, if they even ever come up. Like brown old mills, all T213 Pirates are graded A (or should be) because they were not factory cut.

A few T215 Pirates have sold since 2016 in the $5,000-$7,000 range. Brown Old Mills sell for at least two to three times that, don't they?

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...heinie-wagner/

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...dinary-rarity/

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...d-boston-amer/

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by JackW

A few T215 Pirates have sold since 2016 in the $5,000-$7,000 range. Brown Old Mills sell for at least two to three times that, don't they?

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...heinie-wagner/

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...dinary-rarity/

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...d-boston-amer/

Yes, common t215 pirates sell for less than brown old mills. However, I paid almost as much for my Frank Chance as some brown old mills go for. Notice in the post I said brown lenox/brown old mills, and there is a range there. But point taken, brown old mills are more valuable than all other cards listed in this thread (sometimes by a lot), unless you are dealing with an HOFer.

As an aside, I used to own the Heine Wagner- i believe it has some paperloss on front and a dimple near his head, so there are flaws on that one; not that it matters so much with rarities like that.

[JackW]

Thanks for correcting that T215 Pirates Hall of Famers are the ones that approach brown Old Mill prices.

[buymycards]

"T213-2 are not very rare; indeed they are fairly common."


I don't think you can make a blanket statement about the T213-2's. I would guess that around 60% of the 185 cards are fairly common, around 20% are fairly difficult, 10% are very difficult, and the remaining 10% are extremely scarce, with only 1-3 known examples of each card.

[MR RAREBACK]

It's to bad the t213-2 would be a fun set to try

[ahumes13]

All good stuff, thanks again. Rick, how long have you been on your T-213-2 run? I've definitely noticed that some of the rare variations sell at a premium, but good to have a ballpark idea of how the set breaks down. Ryan, I should've guessed those cards were yours, that Chance... I'm glad you mentioned the Victory's and Pirates and appreciate the info, all I knew was that they are both damn tough to find!

[buymycards]

I have been working on it for 10 years. I doubt that I will ever complete it, but that is OK. I enjoy working on it and I have learned a lot over the years, almost all of which came from fellow board members who know this set much better than I ever will.

From what I understand, most of the more common cards come from the initial printing in 1914. The 1915 cards, for the most part, are more difficult to find, and the last printing in 1916 contains most of the most difficult cards. Some of the 1916's have players with team designations for teams that they never played with.