What has changed?

[Jgrace]

This stuff has been going on for years, though perhaps at not such an organized or systemic level.

It just highlights the importance of knowing what you’re buying and how to determine true value. If you can do that, you can still navigate through the hobby.

I wonder if eventually there will come a day when the history of a card becomes attached to it somehow. Maybe the next evolution of TPGs.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Jgrace

This stuff has been going on for years, though perhaps at not such an organized or systemic level.

It just highlights the importance of knowing what you’re buying and how to determine true value. If you can do that, you can still navigate through the hobby.

I wonder if eventually there will come a day when the history of a card becomes attached to it somehow. Maybe the next evolution of TPGs.

It would require the formation of a completely new TPG company.

One thing's for sure... PSA ain't ever gonna do it. They would never admit to the cards' true histories (even if they were capable of identifying them).

[samosa4u]

I asked this same question on here a few weeks ago and I was told how it's probably going to take years until we get an answer. I was told that the Mastro case took years and how it's not going to be any different with this one.

One thing I really want to know is if PSA had a grader or two or three who worked with these dealers. In other words, when they received trimmed cards from certain sellers, these graders knew they were trimmed, but still encapsulated them. This story has been circulating a lot in the hobby, and it's obviously a very interesting one, however, no one has proven it to be true yet.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I asked this same question on here a few weeks ago and I was told how it's probably going to take years until we get an answer. I was told that the Mastro case took years and how it's not going to be any different with this one.

One thing I really want to know is if PSA had a grader or two or three who worked with these dealers. In other words, when they received trimmed cards from certain sellers, these graders knew they were trimmed, but still encapsulated them. This story has been circulating a lot in the hobby, and it's obviously a very interesting one, however, no one has proven it to be true yet.

Maestro is out of jail any has been buying from many ebay sellers!
Court order says he can not do baseball cards but yet he is buying publically?!

[MULLINS5]

Personally I don't collect graded/authenticated anything (even BBCE) anymore and I haven't had as much fun collecting since I was a kid, but if people want to keep paying PSA for a service they don't offer and paying premiums then so be it.

[pokerplyr80]

I have tried to watch as much as possible. Looking for a correction to pick up a couple of cards on my want list. I haven't seen many opportunities to get any of the cards at all, and certainly no bargains. It does appear, with absolutely no evidence to back this up, that some may be waiting for this to blow over before sending certain cards to auction.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Personally I don't collect graded/authenticated anything (even BBCE) anymore and I haven't had as much fun collecting since I was a kid, but if people want to keep paying PSA for a service they don't offer and paying premiums then so be it.

Ditto. I had the most fun at the National this year in many years and it was partially because I ignored slabs. it is really nostalgic for me to actually touch a 1933 Goudey card instead of its tomb.

[Flintboy]

Wanted to bring this thread back up as it’s coming on a year since I originally posted it. Absolutely nothing has changed in over a year. Same outed sellers still selling on eBay and in full force. Others have gone radio silent on message boards, changed EBay handle names, or act like nothing has happened. Disheartening to the good people who do things right in our hobby.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Personally I don't collect graded/authenticated anything (even BBCE) anymore and I haven't had as much fun collecting since I was a kid, but if people want to keep paying PSA for a service they don't offer and paying premiums then so be it.

Same here. I had left the hobby because of what grading has done to the joy of collecting. I am having a lot of fun buying raw, or busting slabs on those I get a good deal on. Oversized borders a plus!