Reprints?

[pbspelly]

I wonder why his "uncle" collected reprinted postcards and then put old stamps with forged postal markings on them. Such a strange collection, but glad to see these beauties getting into the hands of people who will appreciate them.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

I wonder why his "uncle" collected reprinted postcards and then put old stamps with forged postal markings on them. Such a strange collection, but glad to see these beauties getting into the hands of people who will appreciate them.

The postal markings on the real stamps are not forged. Those stamps were used for years to mail postcards, and there are thousands of them readily available. I'd say I'd mail a similar stamp to anyone who wants one, but the postage is more than one is worth. (Unless you get really lucky - and if it's me mailing the old stamp you won't)

The reprinted markings and reprinted stamps themselves I think are a gray area. I think in this context they aren't allowed, but that's probably a question for a postal inspector.

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by steve B

The postal markings on the real stamps are not forged. Those stamps were used for years to mail postcards, and there are thousands of them readily available. I'd say I'd mail a similar stamp to anyone who wants one, but the postage is more than one is worth. (Unless you get really lucky - and if it's me mailing the old stamp you won't)

The reprinted markings and reprinted stamps themselves I think are a gray area. I think in this context they aren't allowed, but that's probably a question for a postal inspector.

If the markings on the real stamps are not forged, then how is it that the lines line up (albeit not always perfectly) for the stamps on the Chicago and Detroit cards? It looked to me like they used a pen to ink in the wavy lines on the stamps. But perhaps I am mistaken.

There is still clearly an intent to deceive here. What makes it a bit tricky from a legal perspective is that he is not expressly claiming that these items are genuine, and, in fact, is, at least superficially, presenting them as reprints. But what the seller is really doing, of course, is pretending to be more ignorant than he really is, and hoping that buyers looking for a bargain will think that he doesn't know what he's really got. What the seller is misrepresenting here is his own knowledge about the genuineness and provenance of these items. He's trying to take advantage of people who are, in some ways, looking to take advantage of him. It reminds me a bit of the adage that it is hard to con an honest man. But they are looking to take advantage of his ignorance, while he is pretending to be something he's not. There is a difference. What would be kind of funny would be to send him a message telling him that he shouldn't be selling these for such a low price since they look genuine, and you don't want to see him get taken advantage of, and see how he responds to such "honesty."

[steve B]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

If the markings on the real stamps are not forged, then how is it that the lines line up (albeit not always perfectly) for the stamps on the Chicago and Detroit cards? It looked to me like they used a pen to ink in the wavy lines on the stamps. But perhaps I am mistaken.

There is still clearly an intent to deceive here. What makes it a bit tricky from a legal perspective is that he is not expressly claiming that these items are genuine, and, in fact, is, at least superficially, presenting them as reprints. But what the seller is really doing, of course, is pretending to be more ignorant than he really is, and hoping that buyers looking for a bargain will think that he doesn't know what he's really got. What the seller is misrepresenting here is his own knowledge about the genuineness and provenance of these items. He's trying to take advantage of people who are, in some ways, looking to take advantage of him. It reminds me a bit of the adage that it is hard to con an honest man. But they are looking to take advantage of his ignorance, while he is pretending to be something he's not. There is a difference. What would be kind of funny would be to send him a message telling him that he shouldn't be selling these for such a low price since they look genuine, and you don't want to see him get taken advantage of, and see how he responds to such "honesty."

The wavy lines are from a commercially produced cancelling machine that was used in hundreds of cities/towns. I could look up which one it was in a book I have, but I'm too lazy.
Those machines were mass produced, and the wavy line dies are very consistent from one to another. All it takes is a boxful of cheap stamps and a bit of time matching them up to find one that's close enough. I bought an envelope full at the stamp club for my daughter to play with. (She is sort of into stamps, and he favorite color is green) It only cost $5 for a few hundred of them.

I agree that it's deceptive, and really isn't something the seller should be doing.
The reprinting of the entire back including markings may be illegal as well it's allowed for stuff like stamp catalogs and articles, but I don't think it's allowed for a commercial product, or one where it might be mistaken for an actual stamp and postal marking. Showing a picture of a stamp, even in black and white wasn't allowed for a long time even in stamp catalogs or articles.