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Old 10-06-2019, 01:35 PM
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If SGC hired Joe Orlando, would that make a difference in anyone’s opinion?





Caution: This is a hypothetical. I have no insider information, and I am unable to whistle.
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SGC cards are selling stronger and stronger
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Hmmm... what, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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hmmm... What, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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Hmmm... what, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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I was making estimates, but I can assure you Beckett dwarfs SGC.

Current eBay listings with the following keywords: 1,052K total hits
BGS, BVG, BCCG: 269K (25%)
PSA: 727K (69%)
SGC: 56K (5%)
I realize the results are somewhat skewed because people will name drop PSA more often than the other companies, but it loosely follows my guesstimates.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:04 PM
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I was making estimates, but I can assure you Beckett dwarfs SGC.

Current eBay listings with the following keywords: 1,052K total hits
BGS, BVG, BCCG: 269K (25%)
PSA: 727K (69%)
SGC: 56K (5%)
I realize the results are somewhat skewed because people will name drop PSA more often than the other companies, but it loosely follows my guesstimates.
Might be better to look at actual VINTAGE cards slabbed by the 3 TPG's and be accurate. And, since the OP started this by mentioning the altered VINTAGE cards maybe we should look at VINTAGE sets. Afterall, I don't think anyone is claiming SGC is about to take over all of PSA's market share - they're looking at the vintage card market. Since many folks here collect SGC graded vintage cards and this is in the pre-war category, let's actually look at the numbers of cards graded by Vintage set:

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N167 PSA 15 SGC 39 Beckett 3
N172 PSA 4,982 SGC 9,709 Beckett 230
N173 PSA 58 SGC 433 Beckett 0
E90-1 PSA 5,100 SGC 5,597 Beckett 207
T206 PSA 242,222 SGC 115,250 Beckett 11,141
E98 PSA 1,742 SGC 1,430 Beckett 94
M116 PSA 6,916 SGC 4,546 Beckett 173
T201 PSA 10,182 SGC 5,822 Beckett 505
T202 PSA 11,000 SGC 6,038 Beckett 383
1914CJ PSA 4,826 SGC 2,894 Beckett 219
1915CJ PSA 13,231 SGC 6,688 Beckett 231

You get the idea....SGC is already a major force in grading vintage pre-war cards. If you don't like their services that's fine but you can't blow them off as a minor player - at least not in the vintage card market. They already hold their own and, in some cases, have graded more than anyone else (in the case of Old Judges, almost twice as many as PSA). To each their own, but I thought actual data might be better than "guesstimates".
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In my opinion, SGC's big chance to gain market share was around 10-12 years ago (+ or -). Once Brian Dwyer departed to start Sterling (and later take over REA), their opportunity dwindled. If they could've somehow gotten him to take over SGC's operations, they could've had a shot. Suffice it to say that I think a lot of Dwyer and believe that he would've been able to point that ship in a better direction - from a change in plastic holders to a revamping of a registry to marketing. It would've taken a lot of work and I don't think SGC would've overtaken PSA, but SGC could've been a Pepsi to PSA's Coca-Cola.
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Dave, thanks for providing the the comparative pop report numbers for some of the most popular pre-War sets. I assume your SGC numbers are taken from their legacy pop reports, which I believe haven't been updated for a couple of years or so, which makes you comparisons somewhat misleading. Also, I'm surprised that you didn't include pop numbers for the T205, T207, and 1933 Goudey sets, which are very popular pre-War sets.
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Johnny, why don't you check out resale prices between the two.....
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If SGC hired Joe Orlando, would that make a difference in anyone’s opinion?
Both companies would improve.
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Both companies would improve.
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I continue to watch many of the auction house prices, and in many more cases than before SGC is outselling PSA graded cards. No, I don't believe they will overtake them, but I do believe that SGC cards will have a large rise in prices.
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I continue to watch many of the auction house prices, and in many more cases than before SGC is outselling PSA graded cards. No, I don't believe they will overtake them, but I do believe that SGC cards will have a large rise in prices.
That's interesting. Can you give some examples? I'm not huge into pre-war but dabble with a few here and there.
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