Willie Mays 2003 Forged Counterfeit 2003 Topps Legends Card

[Baseball Fan]

I took a picture of it. I don't exactly know what to look for, but I assume it's now a fake.

This is the first time in my collecting career that I KNOW something of mine is now likely a forgery, and it feels really crappy.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Baseball Fan

I took a picture of it. I don't exactly know what to look for, but I assume it's now a fake.

This is the first time in my collecting career that I KNOW something of mine is now likely a forgery, and it feels really crappy.

Unfortunately, it is a forged/counterfeit card.

[Baseball Fan]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Unfortunately, it is a forged/counterfeit card.

Oh, man. Wow. So, this is what it feels like.

Thanks for letting me know.

[Baseball Fan]

What's crazy is that I bought this in 2018 because I had heard so many shady things about the Say Hey holo and wanted to just have an example I knew for sure was real. Haha.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Baseball Fan

What's crazy is that I bought this in 2018 because I had heard so many shady things about the Say Hey holo and wanted to just have an example I knew for sure was real. Haha.

That's why when I observe and opine an autograph, I only look at the autograph.

I do not allow any other "distraction" when opining an autograph.

[thetruthisoutthere]

If anyone communicates with Ebay seller Dacardworld, hopefully someone can inform him of his forged/counterfeit Willie Mays listing.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-TOPPS-...6c68%7Ciid%3A1




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[steve B]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That's why when I observe and opine an autograph, I only look at the autograph.

I do not allow any other "distraction" when opining an autograph.

I'm amazed at what the people who are really familiar with the signatures can do in that way.

For me, that stuff takes a long time to learn I just passed a decade of reading stuff here, and still can only get the big ones like Mantle and Ruth right a bit over half the time. Probably still in the coin toss range.

What for me is quick are the distractions, so I always start with those. Is the object "right"? Did it exist while the signer was alive? Does it make any sense at all?
What's odd is that I can eliminate quite a few that way.

I also don't buy any expensive ones, which helps. But odds are even some of my cheap ones are fake in some way.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by steve B

I'm amazed at what the people who are really familiar with the signatures can do in that way.

For me, that stuff takes a long time to learn I just passed a decade of reading stuff here, and still can only get the big ones like Mantle and Ruth right a bit over half the time. Probably still in the coin toss range.

What for me is quick are the distractions, so I always start with those. Is the object "right"? Did it exist while the signer was alive? Does it make any sense at all?
What's odd is that I can eliminate quite a few that way.

I also don't buy any expensive ones, which helps. But odds are even some of my cheap ones are fake in some way.

Steve, I really appreciate your comment.

Every week, my "eye" picks up something new about a particular autograph.

The learning process never stops.

And to be honest, I have tried numerous times (ask Steve Zarelli) "to stop caring" and walk away from this, but when I observe an issue like forged/counterfeit cards, I can sucked back in, because I do care.

Like Michael Corleone once said "Just when I thought I was out--they pull me back in."

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Baseball Fan

I took a picture of it. I don't exactly know what to look for, but I assume it's now a fake.

This is the first time in my collecting career that I KNOW something of mine is now likely a forgery, and it feels really crappy.

If you're buying things like that Mays during your collecting career, I can guaraneffentee you have at least 50% in your collection that are "likely forgery" Likely They ARE FORGERIES, not likely forgeries. WAKE UP!

[johnmh71]

Things are getting so bad out there, I've almost relegated myself to only buying on the B/S/T on this site.

[thetruthisoutthere]

My thread on the 1996-97 Willie Mays Topps autographed forged/counterfeit cards.


https://live.autographmagazine.com/f...s-commemorativ

[Baseball Fan]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

If you're buying things like that Mays during your collecting career, I can guaraneffentee you have at least 50% in your collection that are "likely forgery" Likely They ARE FORGERIES, not likely forgeries. WAKE UP!

Based on this situation and also your opinion, I've decided to throw my collection away except for the ones that I got in person.