Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[perezfan]

The bigger question is why people put so much faith in what the self-appointed experts say? Especially since they've proven time and again that they can't detect alteration. And why such huge premiums are paid for slab numbers that are at best variable, and subject to change on a whim.

Other than the money/greed/ego aspect, I will never understand this segment of collecting.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The bigger question is why people put so much faith in what the self-appointed experts say? Especially since they've proven time and again that they can't detect alteration. And why such huge premiums are paid for slab numbers that are at best variable, and subject to change on a whim.

Other than the money/greed/ego aspect, I will never understand this segment of collecting.

Agree !!

I believe the Only Reason People Put So Much Faith in PSA is their belief that the card will sell for the most in a PSA holder. Until that belief becomes Fiction I sadly think the insanities will continue.

[HRBAKER]

"Don't bite the hand."

[al032184]

Speaking only to the vaping "crisis", the big issue there is counterfeit vaping cartridges. People make these black market cartridges and sell them as legitimate brand name cartridges. These counterfeit cartridges contain harmful substances that give the cartridges an aesthetically pleasing look. There is no real crisis when it comes to legitimate products. Just saying..

[drcy]

Originally Posted by al032184

Speaking only to the vaping "crisis", the big issue there is counterfeit vaping cartridges. People make these black market cartridges and sell them as legitimate brand name cartridges. These counterfeit cartridges contain harmful substances that give the cartridges an aesthetically pleasing look. There is no real crisis when it comes to legitimate products. Just saying..

Yes, seven people sick doesn't come across as a crisis. I suspect more people got sick and died eating breakfast cereal last year.

[ALBB]

Count Chocula , Boo Berry

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by al032184

Speaking only to the vaping "crisis", the big issue there is counterfeit vaping cartridges. People make these black market cartridges and sell them as legitimate brand name cartridges. These counterfeit cartridges contain harmful substances that give the cartridges an aesthetically pleasing look. There is no real crisis when it comes to legitimate products. Just saying..

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have gotten ill or died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

[swarmee]

Can you guys take this off-topic into a different thread?

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Can you guys take this off-topic into a different thread?

you are right -- we should keep this on topic from this point on. didn't want an earlier post to not get a response.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by griffon512

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

There are lawsuits going on with vaping..... no need to wait to see how it plays out 2 years from now and what choice do you have but to wait years..

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There are lawsuits going on with vaping..... no need to wait to see how it plays out 2 years from now and what choice do you have but to wait years..

I haven't heard of any fatalities resulting from altered/overgraded baseball cards yet?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by griffon512

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have gotten ill or died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

I believe the "pesticide pens" are not tested at the very least making people sick. The ones at the store by me are at least lab tested so there are no pesticides. They are all fake.

Maybe we should ban cigarettes? A few more than 805 have gotten ill or died from those. More like 500,000 confirmed deaths.....EVERY YEAR. Verify that.

Still, there are fake cards in slabs everywhere. Just look at your own collection and half are fake.

[griffon512]

there's plenty of alterations out there but I don't agree that half of collections out there are fake. if you truly believe that, pm me your vintage card collection in slabs and I'll buy it from you for 55% of market value. that would be a good deal since it's only worth half of market value if half are fake. I don't understand the point of continuing in the hobby and continuing on the message board if you hate the hobby (you've stated this in the past) and think half the cards are fake. Why not do yourself a favor and get out of the hobby altogether?