Willie Mays 2003 Forged Counterfeit 2003 Topps Legends Card

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Wrightfan85

Wow! Never would've thought something like that would happen.

Great work as usual Chris.

That was funny, Andy, and thank you.

If anyone knows Ebay seller Comc_consignment, they have one of the Mays forged/counterfeit cards listed.


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[Steve D]

Thank you for posting this!

I've been looking for a certified Mays signed card on ebay recently, and have been considering several of these. I noticed the sudden glut of this card on ebay, and wondered what was going on.

You just saved me from making a big mistake, and I thank you again!

Steve

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Thank you for posting this!

I've been looking for a certified Mays signed card on ebay recently, and have been considering several of these. I noticed the sudden glut of this card on ebay, and wondered what was going on.

You just saved me from making a big mistake, and I thank you again!

Steve

Steve, thank you and you're welcome.

Probably the same source as the Jeter and Koufax forged/counterfeit cards.

[thetruthisoutthere]

And please be extra careful.

PSA has certed at least two of these.



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[keithsky]

PSA probably doesn't even look at them since it's from Topps. They figure Topps did there homework on them so why waste our time we'll just collect the money and slab them and call them good.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by keithsky

PSA probably doesn't even look at them since it's from Topps. They figure Topps did there homework on them so why waste our time we'll just collect the money and slab them and call them good.

Exactly.

That's just sloppy "authenticating."

[RichardSimon]

SMH, smh.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Exactly.

That's just sloppy "authenticating."

That's just cashing a check.
Not much expertise needed for that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

And please be extra careful.

PSA has certed at least two of these.



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I have to make a correction here.

The above card (forged Willie Mays) was not certed by PSA.

Only the card was graded.

This is something I just learned today.

If the above card was certed by PSA, it would read "PSA/DNA Cert."

[homerunhitter]

So what are we as collectors to do? Seems like most people here don’t like TPAs. So if you can’t trust PSA, JSA, Beckett ,SGV etc, and now it looks like even things with topps certified authentic logo are fake if you can’t trust companies like topps then what do we collectors do!! It’s seems like 90% of autographs out there are fake. ☹️

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by homerunhitter

So what are we as collectors to do? Seems like most people here don’t like TPAs. So if you can’t trust PSA, JSA, Beckett ,SGV etc, and now it looks like even things with topps certified authentic logo are fake if you can’t trust companies like topps then what do we collectors do!! It’s seems like 90% of autographs out there are fake. ☹️

If you use all the resources at your disposal, you can safely build a collection that has a high probability of not containing fakes:

• Study yourself
• Network with other knowledgeable collectors
• Use reputable TPAs with the understanding they are a professional opinion, but not infallible and not expert in every autograph in existence.

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I have to make a correction here.



The above card (forged Willie Mays) was not certed by PSA.



Only the card was graded.



This is something I just learned today.



If the above card was certed by PSA, it would read "PSA/DNA Cert."

Shouldn’t any card with a forged sig at least get a MK qualifier?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I have to make a correction here.

The above card (forged Willie Mays) was not certed by PSA.

Only the card was graded.

This is something I just learned today.

If the above card was certed by PSA, it would read "PSA/DNA Cert."

So, they authenticated a counterfeit card, and graded it a PSA 9.

Steve

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Steve D

So, they authenticated a counterfeit card, and graded it a PSA 9.

Steve

It should have never made it past the grading process. You don't even need to analyze the autograph... the card obviously has a grainy, low resolution image and off kilter foil stamping that screams counterfeit.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Steve D

So, they authenticated a counterfeit card, and graded it a PSA 9.

Steve

Yes.