Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[samosa4u]

Somebody seriously needs to post an update on this whole mess. Since the FBI got involved, what exactly has changed?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Somebody seriously needs to post an update on this whole mess. Since the FBI got involved, what exactly has changed?

Unless they can delve deeply into PSAs database and inner circle, nothing at all will change. Unless the FBI forces the change, you will see nothing positive or proactive that is done voluntarily. Dishonest people and corrupt entities do not instill change unless they are caught, and the change is forced upon them. Hell, PSA still won’t even admit there’s a problem brewing... despite the endless flood of altered numerically slabbed cards being exposed every day (with no hint of a slowdown in sight).

This hobby/business provides no voice for the consumer... it’s just the same hyperbole and lies from the controlling “powers that be”. Since the hypnotized majority wants status-quo, and the offending companies won’t come clean, the FBI represents our last hope for full disclosure and positive change. Please don’t let us down!

[HRBAKER]

"Don't rock the boat" and "Don't bite the hand" come to mind.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Unless they can delve deeply into PSAs database and inner circle, nothing at all will change. Unless the FBI forces the change, you will see nothing positive or proactive that is done voluntarily. Dishonest people and corrupt entities do not instill change unless they are caught, and the change is forced upon them. Hell, PSA still won’t even admit there’s a problem brewing... despite the endless flood of altered numerically slabbed cards being exposed every day (with no hint of a slowdown in sight).

This hobby/business provides no voice for the consumer... it’s just the same hyperbole and lies from the controlling “powers that be”. Since the hypnotized majority wants status-quo, and the offending companies won’t come clean, the FBI represents our last hope for full disclosure and positive change. Please don’t let us down!

Well, I recall reading somewhere that the FBI guys sometimes attend the Net54 Dinners and then afterwards they all play a few games of Musical Chairs. Maybe a few of them post on this forum? An update from one of them would be nice. The only guy who did comment on this whole thing was Lichtman, but he got ripped apart and I doubt he'll be discussing this subject here again. LOL

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Well, I recall reading somewhere that the FBI guys sometimes attend the Net54 Dinners and then afterwards they all play a few games of Musical Chairs. Maybe a few of them post on this forum? An update from one of them would be nice. The only guy who did comment on this whole thing was Lichtman, but he got ripped apart and I doubt he'll be discussing this subject here again. LOL

There is zero chance an FBI agent is going to comment in public about an ongoing investigation, much less on a message board.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is zero chance an FBI agent is going to comment in public about an ongoing investigation, much less on a message board.

Well, it's not terrorism we're talking about here or a murder case. It's just a bunch of effing idiots trimmmmmmmmiiiiing trimmmming cards and making lots and lots of moolah. But they've already been outed by BODA. By posting a simple update, I don't think it's going to jeopardize anything.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is zero chance an FBI agent is going to comment in public about an ongoing investigation, much less on a message board.

Yep.... we just need to wait it out, and see how the cards fall (pardon the pun). Will likely take months for the Feds to sort everything out, and perhaps another year before we see/hear anything concrete.

I'd actually prefer to wait a year, knowing they conducted a full and thorough investigation, than have a hasty/shallow investigation that leads only to a few refunds and hand-slaps. It's worth the wait, provided their findings lead to stern sentences, crackdowns on TPGs, and other forms of meaningful change.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It can take years. See Mastro/Allen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol.
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