Opinion on these recently bought low grade Ruth and Gehrig Goudey - Real or Fake

[Leon]

I personally wouldn't gamble on it. I am not 100% but it (the Ruth) just doesn't look right. It could be the scan. Not sure about the back of the Gehrig either. If there is any really white looking paper, where there is damage, that is a yellow flag.

Originally Posted by kevinlenane

Yeah i just cant tell if its the tape thats making them darker - there is just a single ruth with that top corner lopped off. The borders are def off left to right it lt looks like a bit of a diamond cut on the bottom. I should listen to you two and bail on it - part of me wants to find out for myself but boy is that going to be expensive. Thank you both - i feel like im trying to convince myself my arm isnt broken as my doctor is putting a cast on...Here are the best version of the issues i can produce...

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[bigfanNY]

I dont like cardboard of the gehrig...

[Rickyy]

The back of the Gehrig looks too clean... I've owned a poor one and it should look more faded.

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[brob28]

I saw the listing and didn't like the look of the Ruth or Gehrig. I agree with a previous post that some cards look legit, but not the R or G. It's a bit difficult to see due to the angle of the pictures.

[brob28]

Here's a legit Gehrig for comparisson.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by brob28

I saw the listing and didn't like the look of the Ruth or Gehrig. I agree with a previous post that some cards look legit, but not the R or G. It's a bit difficult to see due to the angle of the pictures.

Agreed...some are probably legit. However, your two money cards are both fake, and that is what he is basing his high pricing on. At MOST it is worth around $100-$200 as a novelty, and hoping you can remove the cards from the pages. But don't overpay based on the Ruth and Gehrig, or you are going to lose your money and not be very happy.

[JeremyW]

I'm in the minority here, but I think the cards are real, even the Ruth & Gehrig. With the tape & chunk missing from the Ruth I would probably pass at $800.

[kevinlenane]

Thank you all for your help - it was more of a pain to back out of the offer then to just eat the 800. I'll send them into SGV and let everyone know - they were apparently glued one place peeled up and taped back down - I agree the Gehrig paper looks white but it's possible it was mounted for a very long time which may have led to less yellowing. Im expecting to get burned but its been fun to hear all the opinions. There are some other cards pasted in the book that aren't shown so who knows what happens - they arrive on Thursday so I should get my reprints verified in a couple weeks

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Rickyy

The back of the Gehrig looks too clean... I've owned a poor one and it should look more faded.

Ricky Y

Saw the recent posts and I am still not quite sure...always better to see in person. Just a point though, cards that have been taped or glued into scrapbooks, etc., quite often have cleaner than normal backs. I assume this is partially because the backs were not exposed to the elements like their free as a bird brothers.

Brian

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Saw the recent posts and I am still not quite sure...always better to see in person. Just a point though, cards that have been taped or glued into scrapbooks, etc., quite often have cleaner than normal backs. I assume this is partially because the backs were not exposed to the elements like their free as a bird brothers.

Brian

true Brian good points. I have seen cards ripped out where there were fades around the outer edges...and relatively unscathed in the middle..

Ricky Y

[kevinlenane]

Regardless its been super fun going through this - i will also say this - Ive been able to verify the my "wifes' uncle" thing. There is a very old man that died who has the same last name and was born in that area - and there are pictures of him at Guaducanal in this scrapbook (which im going to try to send back) There are a bunch of photos of him from the 30s and newspaper articles from the era. So at the very least - I know this seller isnt trying to scam anyone. They could be super old reprints or the real deal - they are all beat up but i dont really mind it. Here are two more interesting factors that i noticed - though im not totally sure what they mean:

1. You can see the red goudey overprint through the Gehrig back
2. They were not printed with any kind of modern printer (no dot matrix just the color on card texture
3. The stamp looks like it was done differently and has no discernable break pattern at 1200 DPI on both the Gehrig and Ruth.

Sorry to drag this out - but im having so much fun doing my Forensic Files (which incidentally I used to work on...)

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[steve B]

No dot pattern or blockiness in the 1933 logo and that it goes over the background is a good sign. I think they're real.

[Leon]

I still don't like the color of the borders on the Ruth, or the coloring on the Gehrig, but hopefully I am wrong. As I said before, I am not 100% either way. These scans help and I am closer to them being legit...just not sure.

Originally Posted by kevinlenane

Regardless its been super fun going through this - i will also say this - Ive been able to verify the my "wifes' uncle" thing. There is a very old man that died who has the same last name and was born in that area - and there are pictures of him at Guaducanal in this scrapbook (which im going to try to send back) There are a bunch of photos of him from the 30s and newspaper articles from the era. So at the very least - I know this seller isnt trying to scam anyone. They could be super old reprints or the real deal - they are all beat up but i dont really mind it. Here are two more interesting factors that i noticed - though im not totally sure what they mean:

1. You can see the red goudey overprint through the Gehrig back
2. They were not printed with any kind of modern printer (no dot matrix just the color on card texture
3. The stamp looks like it was done differently and has no discernable break pattern at 1200 DPI on both the Gehrig and Ruth.

Sorry to drag this out - but im having so much fun doing my Forensic Files (which incidentally I used to work on...)

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