T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[t206kid]

Great post by Ron. There are so many different ways to parse the set. I'll post my progress...

No Piedmont or Sweet Caporal 431/520
No Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, Old Mill, or Sovereign 184/484

I think it's also worth noting removing PB/OM/Sov from the set eliminates some of the best cards in the set! Green Cobb and Bat on, Waddell throwing, and Elberfeld.

Plus, there are a whole host of cards where a Sovereign 150 is actually more difficult than a Hindu. On those, I actually prefer a Sov150 over the Hindu.

Also, I've built this from the top to the bottom. So my first goal was tackling the expensive and difficult HOF/variations, and now I'm on the hunt for the various commons I need.

[tedzan]

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In conversations throughout the years with collectors who own (or have owned) the T206 Honus Wagner card, it's interesting to find out that a fair number of these cards
have originated from the NY - Long Island area.
The majority of the Wagner cards are SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #25. Also, some of them are SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #30. And, a handful are PIEDMONT 150.
Conventional thinking is that none of the PIEDMONT Wagner's were inserted in Cigarette packs. Indeed, the PSA Wagner was cut from an uncut sheet (or panel). I bring
up this subject because I have a theory..... OH NO ! …..Another theory by Ted Z

Consider this....Joseph Palmer Knapp, the founder of the American Lithographic Company (ALC), had a vacation home in Suffolk County, Long Island (NY). Therefore, I'm
suggesting...when Wagner forced ATC to discontinue printing his image, ALC was in the process of printing up many 150 Series cards (which included Wagner and Plank).
So what happened to all the Wagner cards (approx. 75 - 90 exist) ? Were they dis-card-ed (excuse the pun) by ALC ? Or perhaps, Mr. Knapp took a bunch of them out to
Long Island and handed them out to his children, and their friends or neighbors. If so, these Wagner's eventually found they way into NY residents' collections.

Let's hear of your experiences, or thoughts, regarding the T206 Wagner card ?





TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, I took a quick look at the psa pop report...

Cy Young port...sc 150/25.....6
Bobby Wallace...sc 150/25.....5
Honus Wagner...sc 150/25.....4

Young sc 150/30 .... 42
Wallace sc 150/30.... 27
Wagner sc 150/30.... 2

It's not a scientific sample, but it's interesting that the 2 random hofers I picked compare almost equally for factory 25, but not factory 30.

[Ronnie73]

Ted, that's an interesting thought. If it's true, then finding a Wagner in a pack would have been even more difficult than thought. I'm still saving up for a Wagner of my own. Time to go door to door in Long Island.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ted, just curious, what premium (if any), do you place on a Piedmont-backed Wagner or Plank vs the more common Sweet Caporal backs? When I say “premium”, I mean in a general sense- value, prestige, etc. How many Piedmont Wagners and Planks are there?

Or better General question - do you think the back “matters” when it comes to Wagner and Plank, and if so, how much so with the much rarer Piedmont (which probably all should be A) vs Sweet Cap?

[tedzan]

Hi Ryan

Generally speaking....I don't think most T206 collectors care which back is on a Wagner or Plank, they are just happy to get one (or both) of these cards.

Now, "dudes" like me would prefer to have the PIEDMONT version of these two T206 cards (so, I can complete my all - PIEDMONT set).

Besides, the big $$$$$$ associated with these two T206's is way above my "pay-grade".

I'm content with my SWEET CAP 150, Factory #30 Eddie Plank (graded "A").

"A" for Awesome, and Affordable



TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

I do remember a few years back, that a Plank Piedmont was graded with a numerical grade. I questioned then if it should have been graded that way. As far as what I'd prefer when building a set, I'd like a Factory 25 over a Factory 30.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I do remember a few years back, that a Plank Piedmont was graded with a numerical grade. I questioned then if it should have been graded that way. As far as what I'd prefer when building a set, I'd like a Factory 25 over a Factory 30.

Ron

About 8 (or so) years ago there was a PIEDMONT 150 Plank graded by SGC. I think they graded it SGC 70.

Like you, I question the validity of that grade on that Plank.


TED Z
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