OT: Justin Verlander 3rd No-Hitter

[Throttlesteer]

Maybe it's that ugly wife he has to go home to

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

Maybe it's that ugly wife he has to go home to

THAT would certainly relax me!...after a while, anyway...

[clydepepper]

Not to under-appreciate Verlander's achievement, but luck and randomness contribute, to some extent, to throwing a no-hitter.

I, my own self (think Dan Jenkins), threw two in the local semi-pro league - but I also threw two (consecutive) one-hitters and there was much more skill involved in those. The no-no's weren't even shutouts...and, in the second one, my team scored in bottom of the ninth to just to win the game.

Now, again, I'll state that Verlander's effort was masterful and one of the very best pitched games - maybe EVER...but lady luck and Roger Random do play too.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

The list of 3+ No hit pitchers doesn't look much like guys who got lucky. While there is luck involved in any individual no-hitter, all the luck in the world won't get you there without a LOT of skill, and the skill factor goes up, probably exponentially, with each subsequent no-no. Especially in the majors.

Larry Corcoran was very much the Sandy Koufax of his day. He didn't struggle at the beginning of his career, but was washed up by 26.

Even the list of two no hitter pitchers only has a couple of "Average" guys on it.

[barrysloate]

Joyce made the bad call on Armando Galarraga in the days before replay was instituted. Today he would have had the call overturned and been credited with the perfect game.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Joyce made the bad call on Armando Galarraga in the days before replay was instituted. Today he would have had the call overturned and been credited with the perfect game.

Remember that travesty of a result for Armando.

Without instant replay at the time, I propose instituting distant replay and review the play today and make necessary corrections.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Not to under-appreciate Verlander's achievement, but luck and randomness contribute, to some extent, to throwing a no-hitter.

I, my own self (think Dan Jenkins), threw two in the local semi-pro league - but I also threw two (consecutive) one-hitters and there was much more skill involved in those. The no-no's weren't even shutouts...and, in the second one, my team scored in bottom of the ninth to just to win the game.

Now, again, I'll state that Verlander's effort was masterful and one of the very best pitched games - maybe EVER...but lady luck and Roger Random do play too.

20 strikeouts, on the other hand, is all on the pitcher. Total dominance.

[pokerplyr80]

Ryan also lost 5 no hitters in the 9th, along with the 7 he finished off. I guess he was the luckiest pitcher of all time?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think people are missing Raymond's point. Any given no hitter clearly has some luck in it. That's all he is saying.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think people are missing Raymond's point. Any given no hitter clearly has some luck in it. That's all he is saying.

True, but as Scott mentioned that doesn't really apply here. I'm sure pitchers have gotten lucky, or been in the zone for a night. Most no hitters probably had a couple close calls or great defensive plays. Maybe what could have been a hit was scored an error. But the guys on that short list didn't just get lucky 3 or more times.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think people are missing Raymond's point. Any given no hitter clearly has some luck in it. That's all he is saying.

Thanks...that is what I was saying...

FYI- I also had a 21K game

- of course, before I became a pitcher, I set what I believe is still the Pony League record for consecutive strikeouts - as a batter...also 21.