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[Republicaninmass]

I'm sad all those signed cards have JSA stickers on the back. They're ruined its archaic. Maybe they can be removed by soaking

[CobbSpikedMe]

I think trying to compare LOTG fully disclosing these issues to all bidders immediately (basically) and offering all of them an opportunity to pull their bids to what PWCC has been doing for years is laughable. It's not even in the same hemisphere let alone ballpark. So waiting for some major scandalous reaction is pointless here.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I think trying to compare LOTG fully disclosing these issues to all bidders immediately (basically) and offering all of them an opportunity to pull their bids to what PWCC has been doing for years is laughable. It's not even in the same hemisphere let alone ballpark. So waiting for some major scandalous reaction is pointless here.

No clear before and after (on the card). Full disclosure. Option to withdraw - What a better market place it would be if all auction houses were so responsive!!

[Fred]

Personally, I think LOTG does a good job. If they see something in an item they'll take the right action to make corrections. Here's a good example:

A card in this latest auction was found to have a pin hole that wasn't noticed before. The card is graded. What did LOTG do? They gave everyone who bid on the card the opportunity to pull their bid. The item description was updated to let everyone about the pin hole. Not sure what else more they could do.

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that LOTG does the right thing.

[timn1]

LOTG is the epitome of an honest broker in this hobby. Why do people want to drag them down into the muck of pwcc, psa, etc?

[Bicem]

Jesse does it every auction, it's his favorite hobby along with consigning altered cards to PWCC.

[timn1]

I guess everyone has their own way of enjoying the hobby 🤮

Originally Posted by Bicem

Jesse does it every auction, it's his favorite hobby along with consigning altered cards to PWCC.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bicem

jesse does it every auction, it's his favorite hobby along with consigning altered cards to pwcc.

exactimundo!!!!!aaahhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I think trying to compare LOTG fully disclosing these issues to all bidders immediately (basically) and offering all of them an opportunity to pull their bids to what PWCC has been doing for years is laughable. It's not even in the same hemisphere let alone ballpark. So waiting for some major scandalous reaction is pointless here.

I am not waiting for any reaction and this is about what I expected. I figured there would be a few more posts about how they're the greatest, most honest auction house in the hobby.

I think it's unlikely that they didn't know the the tin had been cleaned up well before it was disclosed, and that they didn't notice the card had the alteration before they were tipped off.

If the consensus around here is that this type of alteration or conservation is acceptable I have a feeling the hobby will soon evolve to accept others that have only removed things from a card that were not there originally.

I personally don't think erasing a stain and damaging a card in the process is somehow better than using distilled water or a chemical to remove one and leaving no trace behind. I'm not sure it's any worse either.

[Exhibitman]

How is a tin sign a card? The whole equivalence is false.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I am not waiting for any reaction and this is about what I expected. I figured there would be a few more posts about how they're the greatest, most honest auction house in the hobby.

Yes you were absolutely looking for a reaction, otherwise why even point it out? Also, people will come to their defense because they are good people that try to do the right thing and stand for something... you know unlike you.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I think it's unlikely that they didn't know the the tin had been cleaned up well before it was disclosed, and that they didn't notice the card had the alteration before they were tipped off.

Again, a tin sign is not a card, which is what we have all been talking about. Also, thanks for letting us know what Al & Jeff did or didn't know & what they did or didn't notice, that is very helpful as you are obviously in a position to know what is going in their heads.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

If the consensus around here is that this type of alteration or conservation is acceptable I have a feeling the hobby will soon evolve to accept others that have only removed things from a card that were not there originally.

I personally don't think erasing a stain and damaging a card in the process is somehow better than using distilled water or a chemical to remove one and leaving no trace behind. I'm not sure it's any worse either.

You seem to think that you have made some sort of point and are drawing some conclusion from that but you haven't... in fact everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[perezfan]

The OP needs to find a more appropriate place to direct his anger. LOTG handled everything in textbook fashion, and with full disclosure. Each bidder was contacted personally... even though the water cleaning was a non-issue to begin with.

The Sign is in no way comparable to a Card that resides in a falsely numbered slab. Memorabilia is different from cards, always has been, and there is zero comparison here.

I've cleaned off pieces that arrive dirty or grimey, and so has everyone else. It's normal and accepted (if not expected) with these types of items. Trimming, bleaching, recoloring, and anything else done to alter an item's original properties... a whole different animal.

[bobbyw8469]

On a side note.....a $10k profit on cleaning a sign up with cotton balls and water was a nice score!!

[1880nonsports]

I collect old cards old signs and my wife is old like me. I've really NEVER HEARD such a ridiculous argument about cleaning a sign. If you RESTORE the sign that's one thing. Please keep your discussions to cards where I assume you likely know something about them.

[Michael Peich]

David's and Rhett's replies hit the mark squarely. A sign is a sign. It is not a card. To compare Al's auction with the atrocities committed by other auction houses with respect to cardboard cards is a leap of faith that in a fact-driven world is laughable.

Sorry, Jesse, you should direct your energy toward the folks who are committing card crimes, not for honest people like Al. Let's save the moral outrage for real hobby offenders.

Mike

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

LOTG handled everything in textbook fashion, and with full disclosure. Each bidder was contacted personally... even though the water cleaning was a non-issue to begin with. I've cleaned off pieces that arrive dirty or grimey, and so has everyone else. It's normal and accepted (if not expected) with these types of items. Trimming, bleaching, recoloring, and anything else done to alter an item's original properties... a whole different animal.

+1 in a big way. In fact, admin might consider removing this thread as unnecessarily mean-spirited, but I'm also for letting stuff stay there for us to haggle over until we get tired of it and move on. Full disclosure, big Al C. fan here.

[prewarsports]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I'm sad all those signed cards have JSA stickers on the back. They're ruined its archaic. Maybe they can be removed by soaking

Agreed, many of those signed 55 Bowman umpires are VERY tough and the sticker is a major downer!