t206 Lajoie Error Found - Anything Similar Known to Exist?

[ullmandds]

Looks legit and pretty significant to this non t206 collector!!

[x2drich2000]

Not trying to downplay this card at all, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also another SLer with two overprint stamps on the back? Also the black overprint stamps that showed up a few years ago were they not all confirmed to be fraudulent?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Not trying to downplay this card at all, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also another SLer with two overprint stamps on the back? Also the black overprint stamps that showed up a few years ago were they not all confirmed to be fraudulent?

I believe those were old mills?

[MVSNYC]

The black bar (Old Mill) overprints were fake. I believe it was Lew Lipset's encyclopedia, which was printed in black & white, the images of those cards (single overprint SLer, and double overprint SLer), appeared to be black bars (in reality, they were red)...so the person who made fake ones, made the bars black, which fooled some people initially, but the OG collectors knew they were really red.

To my knowledge (Ted jump in), there is only one or two single overprint SLers, and one double overprint(?).

And again, Ted, your reply was rather downplayed...this is a really big discovery, if real, no? I have not seen or heard of any other upside down overprints other than the SLers mentioned above.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ted, I agree with Michael - would love to hear more about others overprints. Thanks

[brianp-beme]

Nice card. I like to salute the printer of this upside down factory overstripe card...perfect placement between the SWEET and CAPORAL.

Here is another Sweet Caporal goof, this one is MISSING the overstrike. Never drink and operate heavy printing press machinery.

Brian

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Nice card. I like to salute the printer of this upside down factory overstripe card...perfect placement between the SWEET and CAPORAL.

Here is another Sweet Caporal goof, this one is MISSING the overstrike. Never drink and operate heavy printing press machinery.

Brian

Always one of my favorites.

[atx840]

Neat, looks good to me.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by atx840

Neat, looks good to me.

The great overlays. Great card there!!

[Alexcards]

I actually saw that card in person at the National along with 70+ other T206s that he had.... definitely legit. I made an offer; however, he was wanting to sell the whole group for well more than I thought it was worth.

[tedzan]

Hey guys

Pardon my reply delay....as we were away....enjoying Cape May.

OK,
Circa..Fall of 1909, American Lithographic switched from brown HINDU to the OLD MILL backs on 34 of the Southern League cards.
Simultaneously, ALC was also modifying SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #30) cards with "Factory #649" overprints. During this process,
the usual printer's practice of test printing runs prior to final press runs, which resulted in these brown inked OLD MILL cards [with
the red ink Factory #649 overprint (inverted)]. I do not think any of these printer scraps were inserted into cigarette packs.
Anyhow some years ago, we accounted for 13 of these So. Lge. cards with the inverted red overprint. These 13 are confirmed........

Bernhard
Foster
Greminger
Helm
Hooker
Jordan
Kiernan
Mullaney
Paige
Reagan
Revelle
Sid Smith
Thornton






Now, regarding SWEET CAPORAL cards (such as this Lajoie), I have not seen any.

Furthermore this may be trivial....but it concerns me that the placement of the inverted red overprint on this Lajoie card
differs from the placement of the red overprint on the the Greminger card.

Another concern I have is that the normal "#649 overprint" was printed on 34 different T206 subjects. Why have we not
seen, in all these years, any of the other 33 subjects with this type of printing error on their backs ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[chuckw]

Ted - thanks for the for the information on the 13 Southern League cards that were found. I have no concerns regarding the authenticity of the card since it was in at attic for many decades with many other early 1900 cards. As to why we have not seen any previously, I think it's probably due to the scarcity as you mentioned - they may have been a test run that may not have gone into tobacco packs. I hope you and the family enjoyed Cape May!