1991 topps desert shield cards need help

bnorth · #1 08-18-2019, 01:50 PM

I can't give a exact reason but they look bad to me, several small things look off about them.

That don't mean PSA wont slab them or that I could be wrong.

Here is a pic of your Chipper logo beside 2 known real ones that came from the foremost expert on DS cards.

Did you get any Wade Boggs in those packs? If so I would really like to see them.

ALR-bishop · #2 08-18-2019, 06:37 PM

I have a DS set but am not expert on the many fakes out there. If I had an authentication issue I would contact a fellow board member, Zach Wheat. He does not post a lot but his contact info can be found in the Community/Members list under on the first page of the Zs.There are several DS threads in here that discuss what to look for to spot fakes but if I had a question I would check with Zach. He is my go to guy on DS

bnorth · #3 08-19-2019, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have a DS set but am not expert on the many fakes out there. If I had an authentication issue I would contact a fellow board member, Zach Wheat. He does not post a lot but his contact info can be found in the Community/Members list under on the first page of the Zs.There are several DS threads in here that discuss what to look for to spot fakes but if I had a question I would check with Zach. He is my go to guy on DS

I got a hold of Mr Wheat and in his opinion they are 100% fake. He is out of town so posting is a PITA for him and he said I could post his opinion.

Jakrauss44 · #4 08-19-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I got a hold of Mr Wheat and in his opinion they are 100% fake. He is out of town so posting is a PITA for him and he said I could post his opinion.

Yea I talked to him thru pm, again my biggest thing is they pass all the tests that any of the online info says to look for. The bottoms of the shield aren�t pointed, you can see the stars in the flag, you can make out the coconuts and the bottom leaf of the palm tree doesn�t touch the line and falls between the R and the A. So what exactly is it that makes them fake? I guess these would have to be some of the best fakes out their considering the psa article says every fake they have come across doesn�t have the dots for stars and can�t make out the coconuts. I�m completely confused on all this, if someone is going to say their fake ok that�s fine but why? What makes them look fake? I haven�t gotten that part just �their fake�.

bnorth · #5 08-19-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakrauss44

Yea I talked to him thru pm, again my biggest thing is they pass all the tests that any of the online info says to look for. The bottoms of the shield aren’t pointed, you can see the stars in the flag, you can make out the coconuts and the bottom leaf of the palm tree doesn’t touch the line and falls between the R and the A. So what exactly is it that makes them fake? I guess these would have to be some of the best fakes out their considering the psa article says every fake they have come across doesn’t have the dots for stars and can’t make out the coconuts. I’m completely confused on all this, if someone is going to say their fake ok that’s fine but why? What makes them look fake? I haven’t gotten that part just “their fake”.

Post a pic of all 285 you have from the opened packs and I will give you a few of the laundry list of problems they have.

Jakrauss44 · #6 08-19-2019, 04:40 PM

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Jakrauss44 · #7 08-19-2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Post a pic of all 285 you have from the opened packs and I will give you a few of the laundry list of problems they have.

alright then lets get this out of the way right now. I am trying to attach pictures of all the cards I pulled as well as the packs, however it keeps saying upload failed. when this was happening the other day its b/c the files were HEIC files and not supported by the site, however these are JPEG files so shouldn't be an issue. Honestly had I known I was gonna get mostly sarcastic smart ass comments insinuating that I am full of shit I wouldn't have even bothered on this board and would of went elsewhere. I am a legit collector trying to get legit feedback and that's it. Again had I realized that was such a problem on this board I would of gone elsewhere but unfortunately this is where I started thinking that this was the best place to get the best feedback, am I wrong? I am used to helping other collectors when I am in the position to be able to, guess most others are just negative skeptics but too each their own.

bnorth · #8 08-19-2019, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakrauss44

alright then lets get this out of the way right now. I am trying to attach pictures of all the cards I pulled as well as the packs, however it keeps saying upload failed. when this was happening the other day its b/c the files were HEIC files and not supported by the site, however these are JPEG files so shouldn't be an issue. Honestly had I known I was gonna get mostly sarcastic smart ass comments insinuating that I am full of shit I wouldn't have even bothered on this board and would of went elsewhere. I am a legit collector trying to get legit feedback and that's it. Again had I realized that was such a problem on this board I would of gone elsewhere but unfortunately this is where I started thinking that this was the best place to get the best feedback, am I wrong? I am used to helping other collectors when I am in the position to be able to, guess most others are just negative skeptics but too each their own.

I don't think you have got a single bad comment. The photo file is too big if they are not uploading. Try to shrink them if that does not work PM me your email and I will email you so you can send them to me. Then I will upload them for you.

Jakrauss44 · #9 08-19-2019, 04:52 PM

plus my other thing on this is, if they are fake, why would someone stuff those chippers in packs? Especially when they can sell them by themselves for way more than what they can get for a pack?

ALR-bishop · #10 08-19-2019, 05:02 PM

Seems to me you got a couple of opinions that the cards are fakes, a couple that they looked good, and at least one not sure ( me). If you have some nice Chipper Jones cards send them to PSA. If they grade them then it should not matter what the nays say. I personally don't think it fair on your part to categorize the feedback you asked for and received here as smarts ass in nature.

ALR-bishop · #11 08-19-2019, 03:01 PM

I got same response from Zach, who admittedly was reviewing them on the road on an I Phone. Zach has been reluctant to list specific reasons on public boards for thinking posted cards may be fakes in order to not aid ongoing fraudsters improve their product. But if you google" Topps 1991 Desert Shield fakes you will get some input

Not sure if PSA is any good in telling the real thing from the many fakes out there

Jakrauss44 · #12 08-18-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I can't give a exact reason but they look bad to me, several small things look off about them.

That don't mean PSA wont slab them or that I could be wrong.

Here is a pic of your Chipper logo beside 2 known real ones that came from the foremost expert on DS cards.

Did you get any Wade Boggs in those packs? If so I would really like to see them.

I�ll check and see if I do for sure but think I did get one. What is it about the Boggs that would make that the deciding factor. My biggest thing is something looks off to me as well that�s why I�m asking, however everything I�ve read says the fakes don�t show the stars or the coconuts and The cards I got all have both, as well as the bottom of the shields aren�t pointed as they say the fakes are. There so much info out there but it all contradicts and honestly has me even more confused lol.

Jim65 · #13 08-19-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakrauss44

I�ll check and see if I do for sure but think I did get one. What is it about the Boggs that would make that the deciding factor. My biggest thing is something looks off to me as well that�s why I�m asking, however everything I�ve read says the fakes don�t show the stars or the coconuts and The cards I got all have both, as well as the bottom of the shields aren�t pointed as they say the fakes are. There so much info out there but it all contradicts and honestly has me even more confused lol.

The biggest giveaway on the fakes is the "operation" is shifted. On authentic cards the palm should point between the R and A in operation. Not saying they are good or bad but your cards pass the first test.

bnorth · #14 08-19-2019, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakrauss44

I�ll check and see if I do for sure but think I did get one. What is it about the Boggs that would make that the deciding factor. My biggest thing is something looks off to me as well that�s why I�m asking, however everything I�ve read says the fakes don�t show the stars or the coconuts and The cards I got all have both, as well as the bottom of the shields aren�t pointed as they say the fakes are. There so much info out there but it all contradicts and honestly has me even more confused lol.

I collect Wade Boggs is the only reason.

brob28 · #15 08-19-2019, 01:22 PM

They look good to me. Nice pulls!

Sorry to flip on you, but after taking a close look at the DS cards in my collection, I don't think these are legit.

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