#1 set on PSA registry has fakes!

[swarmee]

It's not the only one... these are in the Auction Prices Realized database.
Sold for $30.
Mantle sold for $455. Resold on COMC for $58 in February.

[swarmee]

Funny thing about the Mantle, is it wasn't even in the original set. PSA has graded three reprints as 1969 pins, when it's not even in their Set Registry.

COMC had a bunch of the reprints listed as 1969. I have sent them correction requests. They may want to inform their previous buyers that the pins are reprints, since they were sold as originals.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Funny thing about the Mantle, is it wasn't even in the original set. PSA has graded three reprints as 1969 pins, when it's not even in their Set Registry.

g-d d-mn, wtf, (and everything else). I get that there are challenging aspects of every job and anyone is prone to a mistake from time to time. But this isn't like being duped by a well-done fake that wasn't expected and so catches you off-guard...

This is just about recognizing an already established well-known reprint that is not going out of its way trying to nefariously undermine the system. This is so much not like the other things. Ok, so they are missing trimming; they are missing chemical bleaching; they are duped on autos...but this '83 pin thing more than any of that demonstrates the accuracy of the charge that they RUSH and don't spend nearly enough time just envisioning the bigger picture, to stop and say 'wait a minute, are we thinking in a rut here, assuming too much?"

If nothing before did, this shows that they just push things through too fast and without enough thought. Their own website implies a small army of experts examines each item: "A series of PSA graders review your cards for authenticity. If genuine, PSA looks for evidence of doctoring, such as re-coloring or trimming. If your cards pass these two steps, PSA grades the condition of each card on a scale of 1-10. After grading, PSA holders each card." What "series" means is ambiguous, but a fair interpretation could guess three (otherwise why not admit "couple"), plus the doctoring check, plus the grading assessment, all of which may or may not be the same staff, then the slabbing...each of these staff do this day in and day out for months or years on end and must by its nature gain expertise besides what presumably they should have had a minimum of when hired. It is mystifying how all in series can miss these reprints that are not even trying to fool anyone, unless they are just going through the motions too damn fast.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by Empty77

g-d d-mn, wtf, (and everything else). I get that there are challenging aspects of every job and anyone is prone to a mistake from time to time. But this isn't like being duped by a well-done fake that wasn't expected and so catches you off-guard...



This is just about recognizing an already established well-known reprint that is not going out of its way trying to nefariously undermine the system. This is so much not like the other things. Ok, so they are missing trimming; they are missing chemical bleaching; they are duped on autos...but this '83 pin thing more than any of that demonstrates the accuracy of the charge that they RUSH and don't spend nearly enough time just envisioning the bigger picture, to stop and say 'wait a minute, are we thinking in a rut here, assuming too much?"



If nothing before did, this shows that they just push things through too fast and without enough thought. Their own website implies a small army of experts examines each item: "A series of PSA graders review your cards for authenticity. If genuine, PSA looks for evidence of doctoring, such as re-coloring or trimming. If your cards pass these two steps, PSA grades the condition of each card on a scale of 1-10. After grading, PSA holders each card." What "series" means is ambiguous, but a fair interpretation could guess three (otherwise why not admit "couple"), plus the doctoring check, plus the grading assessment, all of which may or may not be the same staff, then the slabbing...each of these staff do this day in and day out for months or years on end and must by its nature gain expertise besides what presumably they should have had a minimum of when hired. It is mystifying how all in series can miss these reprints that are not even trying to fool anyone, unless they are just going through the motions too damn fast.

Exactly this! Mistakes happen but if multiple "experts" (even two) greenlight the Mantle they just aren't experts. Plain and simple, they aren't. The only question left is if the simply don't know much about the materials they grade or whether grades are being purchased.

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[Empty77]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Exactly this! Mistakes happen but if multiple "experts" (even two) greenlight the Mantle they just aren't experts. Plain and simple, they aren't. The only question left is if the simply don't know much about the materials they grade . . .

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Yeah, maybe someone in charge had the bright idea that since the sports pins are round, they should hand-off pin duty to the lame-o's in their coin department

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by swarmee

It's not the only one... these are in the Auction Prices Realized database:

(pic: Mantle NM-MT 8) Mantle sold for $455. Resold on COMC for $58 in February.

Ouch.