A Modest Proposal

[1952boyntoncollector]

So many issues on this for someone to take someones property. I cant see this even remotely happening.

I can see them reporting it to law enforcement who could intervene though

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So many issues on this for someone to take someones property. I cant see this even remotely happening.

I can see them reporting it to law enforcement who could intervene though

Nowhere did I suggest someone taking property. The cards are returned ungraded. Unless you were referring to the money. And you are agreeing to that penalty as a term of submitting.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So many issues on this for someone to take someones property. I cant see this even remotely happening.

I can see them reporting it to law enforcement who could intervene though

Why would they report it to law enforcement? It is certainly not illegal to do anything you want to a card you own. And merely submitting an altered card to a grading company is not illegal either. Many innocent people over the years have submitted cards to the grading companies that have come back as altered or unauthentic. In fact, that is one of the reasons that people submit a card to a TPG, to double check and make sure whether it is authentic/altered or not, because that is what they're paying the TPG for, to authenticate the card and give it the appropriate grade.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Yes nothing illegal occurs until someone tries to represent an altered card as unaltered in a sale situation. There needs to be intent and a victim. I think PSA would be hard pressed to claim they are a victim of the card doctors.

[MULLINS5]

I would prefer PSA to just authenticate and grade the cards accurately.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I would prefer PSA to just authenticate and grade the cards accurately.

I'm more of a pragmatist.

[Robbie]

I'm not a card guy, but one thought I had was...

Maybe to combat or reduce bad-actors, PSA and other TPGs can be convinced to make general SUBMISSION information public, like;

John Doe Cards August 7, 2019 350 Cards Submitted 242 Found to Be Altered

and then LET THE MARKETPLACE DO WHAT IT WILL with John Doe Cards. PSA (TPGs) must do a good job registering and verifying every submission and submitter.

Would making this information public dissuade legitimate collectors and dealers from submitting cards? I don't think so.
Would it temper the crooks and card doctors from submitting? I think so.
Would it damage or hinder PSA's business? I don't know. They could still holder the altered cards, but it would give their collector base more knowledge and confidence.

[oldjudge]

Your proposal is predicated on the TPG being able to detect the altered cards. If they can detect a significant percentage in a submission I think the submission should be pulled and directed to a separate group that does a more detailed review of the cards.There would be an additional expense for the TPG to support this forensic group, but they might recover this via modestly higher grading fees, or simply from increased user confidence in the product.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by BobC

Why would they report it to law enforcement? It is certainly not illegal to do anything you want to a card you own. And merely submitting an altered card to a grading company is not illegal either. Many innocent people over the years have submitted cards to the grading companies that have come back as altered or unauthentic. In fact, that is one of the reasons that people submit a card to a TPG, to double check and make sure whether it is authentic/altered or not, because that is what they're paying the TPG for, to authenticate the card and give it the appropriate grade.

right, not saying the submitter is getting arrested, but that law enforcement may be notified. There could be an active investigation and if a grouping of 50 cards have 50 altered ones (all with stated value over $1000), you can see why that may get reported.

Maybe there may be questions about where the submitter got the card from law enforcement etc