T206 Blue Old Mill Back

[Jobu]

I looked at the Blue OM Elberfeld at the National. It looks legit to me. What I would really like to see is that card, the Powell, and the Walsh all at the same time. I am definitely leaning strongly toward their being legit.

I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

[sb1]

If that is the case why is the grass on the front still green?

[Luke]

I am in agreement with Bryan. This is a lot like the "missing red" cards where the back is torn off. If one side of the card shows a lot of damage or alteration, it doesn't feel right to me to proceed as if the other side would be unaffected by the damage/fading/chemical reaction etc.

And yeah backs were just printed with one color ink.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I looked at the Blue OM Elberfeld at the National. It looks legit to me. What I would really like to see is that card, the Powell, and the Walsh all at the same time. I am definitely leaning strongly toward their being legit.

I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

+1

[packs]

Don't think the Sovereign card is special. It looks like it was once glued to something and that's the reason for the color bleed. Front matches all the hallmarks of color being sucked out of it from an adhesive on the back and the different shades of cardboard on the back is spotty enough that it looks like it was once glued to something and soaked.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jobu

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I do not think that the Sov Campbell card is really blue ink. The front and back are fully toned, the red and some other colors are extremely washed out from the front, and I think whatever caused the toning and ink changes on the front also changed the shade of the green on the back.

Hi Bryan, ole buddy...….I am reluctant to disagree with you here on this Blue SOVEREIGN back. As, we agree on so many other things. Anyway, shown here are the Campbell's
in my three T206 sets. Note variations in their sunset colors. Their PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN and SWEET CAP (Fac. #30) backs are normal. I've seen many T206 Campbell cards,
and their "sunset scene" can be all kinds of colors.

I'll reiterate....Scott's Blue SOVEREIGN back is simply a printing ink error. The printer at American Litho got his ink colors mixed-up (or perhaps he was color-blind). Eventually,
more Blue SOVEREIGN cards will show up, just as more Blue OLD MILL cards have shown up.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Rhotchkiss]

Are the Blue Old Mills hand cut/scraps? We know that Brown Old Mills are legit and that they were likely mess-ups, discarded and cut up at printing. Thus, all brown old mills are printer scrap and they are most certainly brown (not sure why the overstrike and multi-strike exists, unless they were just used as extra paper to get ink of or for experiments, but that's irrelevant here).

If blue old mills (or this blue Sovereign) are not hand cut, I think that is somewhat telling and perhaps indicative of fading or maybe a missing color (although I have no knowledge of that Ted v Bryan). But then again, there is the Brown lenox, which was distributed in packs... That said, many people i trust have seen the blue old mills and they say they are blue, and I trust them,. Conundrum. I would like to get that one nailed down before we branch into Blue Sovereigns.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Are the Blue Old Mills hand cut/scraps? We know that Brown Old Mills are legit and that they were likely mess-ups, discarded and cut up at printing. Thus, all brown old mills are printer scrap and they are most certainly brown (not sure why the overstrike and multi-strike exists, unless they were just used as extra paper to get ink of or for experiments, but that's irrelevant here).

If blue old mills (or this blue Sovereign) are not hand cut, I think that is somewhat telling and perhaps indicative of fading or maybe a missing color (although I have no knowledge of that Ted v Bryan). But then again, there is the Brown lenox, which was distributed in packs...

none of the "blues" ive seen appear hand cut

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'll reiterate....Scott's Blue SOVEREIGN back is simply a printing ink error. The printer at American Litho got his ink colors mixed-up (or perhaps he was color-blind). Eventually,
more Blue SOVEREIGN cards will show up, just as more Blue OLD MILL cards have shown up.


TED Z

i like the theory of colorblind printers.

[brianp-beme]

With some of the misfit T206 cards out there I would say it is more likely the printers were drunk.

Brian