Darren's Rovell take on PWCC, etc.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Actually it seems we agree on everything except the Wagner. I don't think legit sales of altered cards need to be addressed. I do worry about those cards future in the hobby as well, and I have sold altered cards that have been noted as such. I am reconsidering that policy going forward as the repercussions of that cannot be determined, but that's a personal decision (and I'm still not sure what my decision will be though I have to make up my mind before my upcoming pre-war auction!) Sorry if I came on strong, I've been doing that a lot more since this scandal broke and I think it's just a case of impotent anger get misdirected towards those who don't deserve it.

[Mark17]

Nothing wrong with coming on strong when you are also making valid points and not being rude. It's good when people care about what they are talking about. As I said, I enjoyed the discussion.

No clear-cut answers, that's for sure, other than that the criminals need to be held accountable.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Actually it seems we agree on everything except the Wagner. I don't think legit sales of altered cards need to be addressed. I do worry about those cards future in the hobby as well, and I have sold altered cards that have been noted as such. I am reconsidering that policy going forward as the repercussions of that cannot be determined, but that's a personal decision (and I'm still not sure what my decision will be though I have to make up my mind before my upcoming pre-war auction!) Sorry if I came on strong, I've been doing that a lot more since this scandal broke and I think it's just a case of impotent anger get misdirected towards those who don't deserve it.

Is that just ungraded altered cards or does that include altered cards graded Authentic?

I have seen your descriptions and you do an amazing job in my opinion.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Is that just ungraded altered cards or does that include altered cards graded Authentic?

I have seen your descriptions and you do an amazing job in my opinion.

I think if the alteration is clear and irreversible it's definitely safe. Where I am on the fence is alterations that are hard to determine regardless of whether or not they reside in a slab. I'm struggling with the issue to be sure. Whatever I decide will be very public knowledge.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I think if the alteration is clear and irreversible it's definitely safe. Where I am on the fence is alterations that are hard to determine regardless of whether or not they reside in a slab. I'm struggling with the issue to be sure. Whatever I decide will be very public knowledge.

I doubt that any alteration is irreversible. If a round corner can be built up, one that's been cut off can be too. It might be difficult, but doable.

It's really all about the disclosure, an item is what it is.

I also think that altered cards are collectable as long as the alteration is known. I have a few, ranging from stuff done by kids fooling around to fraudulent trimming. I'm not sure if I have any that are recolored, but it's likely I have a 71T that someone took a marker to.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Actually it seems we agree on everything except the Wagner. I don't think legit sales of altered cards need to be addressed. I do worry about those cards future in the hobby as well, and I have sold altered cards that have been noted as such. I am reconsidering that policy going forward as the repercussions of that cannot be determined, but that's a personal decision (and I'm still not sure what my decision will be though I have to make up my mind before my upcoming pre-war auction!) Sorry if I came on strong, I've been doing that a lot more since this scandal broke and I think it's just a case of impotent anger get misdirected towards those who don't deserve it.

I'm with Mark here, and with you too it seems. I misunderstood what I was reading in your post, and agree pretty much with what Mark had to say. In terms of cards seized in a legal proceeding, I'm with you. It was other altered cards I thought might need to be treated differently.

I'm pretty sure we want the same thing and agree mostly.



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