National ramblings

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tennis13

Yes, it will blow over. As embarrassed as i am to admit this, it took me 40 years to realize people want to feel good and want to be sold the story and enjoy the story. They don’t want the truth. I have many theories why, but basically I believe the story and the myth allows them to escape and for whatever reason, if they are being scammed they would just rather not know.

I learned this in a class I took on sustainable businesses and farm to table restaurants which essentially dont exist. I sat there and listened to a restaurant owner spout off myth after myth and at the end a classmate says “I ate at your place and its the greatest fish I have ever had.” I almost interjected, but I am too tired to educate anymore. You think the baseball card industry is a fraud, the fish industry is a joke:

https://www.tampabay.com/projects/20...farm-to-fable/

But, people dont want to hear it. They want the story and to feel good about the experience. I have no idea why.....and it took 40 years for me to learn to just shut up and not educate, and l as much as I can, restrain myself.

LOL, They exist in reality better than those silly roof gardens. I have been to a few seminars on the fish also. All I can say is if it wasn't for all the government subsidies they are on the industry would not exist. Unless someone needed a business that lost insane amounts of cash.

I like how they show you multi million dollars worth of equipment that is needed so you can sell your product for tens of dollars.

I still say the card industry is way shadier even though the end consumers are seriously lied to in all 3 industries.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, They exist in reality better than those silly roof gardens. I have been to a few seminars on the fish also. All I can say is if it wasn't for all the government subsidies they are on the industry would not exist. Unless someone needed a business that lost insane amounts of cash.

I like how they show you multi million dollars worth of equipment that is needed so you can sell your product for tens of dollars.

I still say the card industry is way shadier even though the end consumers are seriously lied to in all 3 industries.

Not all of that stuff is a scam.
One vacation a few years ago, my family went to a seafood place that was on an inlet. Pretty cool even though I don't care much for fish. Watched a guy fishing from the parking lot catch a small shark.
The next table over ordered a certain fish, and was told they didn't have .. cue loud air horn and waiter saying "wait just a minute" and going out back. A fishing boat had just pulled in to the docklike thing they had out back. Waiter returns.. "we just got some in"

The U-Conn experimental farm also runs a dairy, and an ice cream shop.

Millions of dollars to sell a product for tens?
Ever seen the price of a really big printing press like the card companies use?

[RedsFan1941]

as the OP often does, a number of his points are based on assumptions made without fact. interesting that REA is mentioned. for those of you at the National, I recommend you stop at the three major auction house’s booths — REA, Heritage and Hunt.

ask them what they are doing and what they have done since this scandal and the one involving fake T206s came to light. ask for specifics, don’t ask how they “feel” about fraud in the hobby. ask what they are doing and what they have done. that’s what I did Wednesday. the contrast of the answers I received was eye opening.

my suggestion to the OP is to pick up a phone next week, call REA and ask to speak to Brian. find out what his role in helping to counteract fraud in the hobby. then maybe you will understand why REA is respected by many knowledgeable people who do more than just post “ramblings” on a chat board.

[pokerplyr80]

Hunt is one of the 3 major auction houses?

[Snapolit1]

Ronnie - obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Nothing in either of my messages said anything about REA being connected with fraud. I've spoken with Brian prob a dozen times and he seems like a honorable guy. Connecting random comments from posts and tying them together is pretty silly. My comment about REA is just that I'm not a cult member of them or anyone else. (As opposed to you.) From my vantage point they appear to be running a for profit business. I'm not lining up to worship them or anyone else selling stuff in the hobby. I don't get a hard on smelling their catalog and I certainly don't think they or any other AH are in this because of benevolence. Business people last time I checked. But if you want to create a little altar in your house to worship them go for it. Sounds kind of charming.

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

as the OP often does, a number of his points are based on assumptions made without fact. interesting that REA is mentioned. for those of you at the National, I recommend you stop at the three major auction house’s booths — REA, Heritage and Hunt.

ask them what they are doing and what they have done since this scandal and the one involving fake T206s came to light. ask for specifics, don’t ask how they “feel” about fraud in the hobby. ask what they are doing and what they have done. that’s what I did Wednesday. the contrast of the answers I received was eye opening.

my suggestion to the OP is to pick up a phone next week, call REA and ask to speak to Brian. find out what his role in helping to counteract fraud in the hobby. then maybe you will understand why REA is respected by many knowledgeable people who do more than just post “ramblings” on a chat board.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Ronnie - obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Nothing in either of my messages said anything about REA being connected with fraud. I've spoken with Brian prob a dozen times and he seems like a honorable guy. Connecting random comments from posts and tying them together is pretty silly. My comment about REA is just that I'm not a cult member of them or anyone else. (As opposed to you.) From my vantage point they appear to be running a for profit business. I'm not lining up to worship them or anyone else selling stuff in the hobby. I don't get a hard on smelling their catalog and I certainly don't think they or any other AH are in this because of benevolence. Business people last time I checked. But if you want to create a little altar in your house to worship them go for it. Sounds kind of charming.

yes. I’m the one with the reading comprehension problem.

[Peter_Spaeth]

AHs such as REA, it seems to me, could definitely play a key role identifying who purchased cards out of their auction that were subsequently altered, as well as who consigned altered cards. Brent clearly bought much more than the WWG DiMaggio out of REA, for example. It's good to hear and not surprising that REA is helping in some capacity.