VCP got a face lift

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

So acting with integrity even if you are a criminal is ok, got it.

I am not following you. I don't think any of those guys is Peter Nash.

[ZiggerZagger]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Bobby, even as a gold member images are small in size. I realize you've implemented a circular zoom feature by touching the image with the cursor which is great, but do you also plan on having larger images available such as what the old site offered?

Bobby -- Agree with these points fully.

Being able to see a full-sized image for several examples within a given grade is the main utility of VCP for me. Not being able to see a blown-up image of each card within a given grade is a 100% killer.

VCP has been the best and pretty much only way to easily get a sense for what a very "strong for grade" vs "weak" card might sell for. The circular zoom is fine, but it's absolutely impossible to get an overall sense for the card without being able to see a rather large picture of the entire card.

Getting that large image of the card only with a single click would be ideal, and would be an improvement on the old separate popup window version of of the old site. Restricting the circular zoom feature to a hover feature, while being able to open the largest possible image with a single click on the image itself would be my recommendation.
--Or alternatively, making the white popup box substantially larger, so as to take up nearly the entire screen, might get us there as well.


Would really like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

[Leon]

You said as long as they act with integrity it doesn't matter (I said they could be criminal). I politely disagree. I am not saying what they have done is bad, it's good. But they might not have clean hands themselves and there is no way to know. How do you know for sure that the guys doing the outing aren't fraudsters too? That is just a problem for me and if you don't care, I understand. Again, Moser, PWCC, PSA, me, or anyone committing fraud should be punished, I am not saying they shouldn't.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am not following you. I don't think any of those guys is Peter Nash.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

You said as long as they act with integrity it doesn't matter (I said they could be criminal). I politely disagree. I am not saying what they have done is bad, it's good. But they might not have clean hands themselves and there is no way to know. How do you know for sure that the guys doing the outing aren't fraudsters too? That is just a problem for me and if you don't care, I understand. Again, Moser, PWCC, PSA, me, or anyone committing fraud should be punished, I am not saying they shouldn't.

They could also be Madonna or Mike Trout. No, I don't know for certain who a couple of them are, but I am relying on my judgment and instincts I guess, formed on the basis of many dealings.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Bobby -- Agree with these points fully.

Being able to see a full-sized image for several examples within a given grade is the main utility of VCP for me. Not being able to see a blown-up image of each card within a given grade is a 100% killer.

VCP has been the best and pretty much only way to easily get a sense for what a very "strong for grade" vs "weak" card might sell for. The circular zoom is fine, but it's absolutely impossible to get an overall sense for the card without being able to see a rather large picture of the entire card.

Getting that large image of the card only with a single click would be ideal, and would be an improvement on the old separate popup window version of of the old site. Restricting the circular zoom feature to a hover feature, while being able to open the largest possible image with a single click on the image itself would be my recommendation.
--Or alternatively, making the white popup box substantially larger, so as to take up nearly the entire screen, might get us there as well.


Would really like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

I think this is something that can be looked into down the road in making the box larger to make the images larger to start. You also have to keep in mind the decision for that size is also due to about 60% of our users being on phones and not computers. So the larger image size really does not do them any good.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

Bobby, one thing I'm not seeing. You used to be able to search by category, D cards, N cards, etc....not seeing that now?

Sorry about that there is an ACC# search selection on there as well.

Besides the sports selections Baseball, Basketball, etc

It goes

Key Word, Player Name (Full Name-now), Set Name, ACC#

[RedsFan1941]

a 60-40 split is what you based your decision on to go with a format that doesn’t allow larger images? for a hobby in which many collectors place a premium on condition (and lately, as we have seen, larger images help to uncover fraud). the more you post the more i question why you are doing the things you do.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Baseballcrazy62

Bobby: one thing that isn’t on the new site that I wish you could bring back is the number of cards that are in the “my collection” header. It used to be in there with “viewing all groups in collection “. Other than that I really like it.

This is now live and we took it a step further with totals also in your groups as well. You may need to do a shift-Refresh or log in and log out to see it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

a 60-40 split is what you based your decision on to go with a format that doesn’t allow larger images? for a hobby in which many collectors place a premium on condition (and lately, as we have seen, larger images help to uncover fraud). the more you post the more i question why you are doing the things you do.

Bobby -- did you post this on Blowout?

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Do you guys really think it is a good idea to be trashing Bobby?

After all he is the guy that got the buyers ID turned back on for you. Without that a lot of your discovery would be a lot harder.

I am sure he could just as easily turn it off....

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bobby -- did you post this on Blowout?

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Do you guys really think it is a good idea to be trashing Bobby?

After all he is the guy that got the buyers ID turned back on for you. Without that a lot of your discovery would be a lot harder.

I am sure he could just as easily turn it off....

No

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Leon

Cesspool with a few good guys if you ask me. No thanks

Wow, that’s painting with a broad brush. I didn’t know posting without your name attached classifies one as likely a scumbag.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

Wow, that’s painting with a broad brush. I didn’t know posting without your name attached classifies one as likely a scumbag.

I didn't say that. I said it is a cesspool. I am more talking about the way that place is moderated. I would guess most over there Are GOOD people. But as I said there are a lot of trolls too. And they get protected. That isn't good in my book but I guess it is yours. We can agree to disagree. BTW what I specifically said is that the troll saying I was selling drugs to kids is protected. If I wanted to pursue it I would sue the venue for that information and go after them in court. But I am not wasting my time I just left over there... I am sure you would be ok with some troll saying that unfounded crap about you, right?

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't say that. I said it is a cesspool. I am more talking about the way that place is moderated. I would guess most over there Are GOOD people. But as I said there are a lot of trolls too. And they get protected. That isn't good in my book but I guess it is yours. We can agree to disagree. BTW what I specifically said is that the troll saying I was selling drugs to kids is protected. If I wanted to pursue it I would sue the venue for that information and go after them in court. But I am not wasting my time I just left over there... I am sure you would be ok with some troll saying that unfounded crap about you, right?

I’m not speaking for the trolls that you find on any message board, and no, I would not be ok with that degree of slander, but there are a lot of good members there, regardless of their anonymity.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't say that. I said it is a cesspool. I am more talking about the way that place is moderated. I would guess most over there Are GOOD people. But as I said there are a lot of trolls too. And they get protected. That isn't good in my book but I guess it is yours. We can agree to disagree. BTW what I specifically said is that the troll saying I was selling drugs to kids is protected. If I wanted to pursue it I would sue the venue for that information and go after them in court. But I am not wasting my time I just left over there... I am sure you would be ok with some troll saying that unfounded crap about you, right?

Leon,

I agree that posting names is a good thing. And I always do it, as you know.
I am also good with people outing fraudsters, particularly if, as there has been, before and after pics are posted that are pretty damning. In that specific instance, I am beyond OK with that even if they don't post names. Would I prefer that they did? certainly. But the evidence is rather compelling irrespective of that. If the authorities decide to take action, they will get those identities, I promise.

I am also good with the initial question Peter asked of Bobby. If you go read the thread, it is pretty clear that the CU reveal that was posted on Blowout indicated that Bobby posted under a, shall we say, assumed name, denied that it was him, and got caught based on previous posts where he had actually posted and identified himself under that same assumed name. It was really quite comical IMO.. I don't think there is anything wrong with calling him out for that either, because that was BS. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

[Leon]

Well I agree that outing fraud is good. I just think some of those outing the fraud are probably fraudsters too. I realize you don't have an issue with that (or seem to insinuate that). I do, we can easily agree to disagree. That doesn't mean what they say isn't true.
I was taken to task over there for things I don't/didn't do. And the mods did nothing. And no, I would not answer anonymous posters questions either. IF they want to put their real, verifiable, name next to it I am happy to answer. But it would not be in a venue where those kind of patently false accusations, by anonymous (trolls in my book), don't get reprimanded. Overall, of course I am glad the fraud that was going on was outed and is being dealt with by authorities. I hope whomever is committing fraud in the hobby gets punished to the full extent of the law. It hurts all hobbyists.

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Leon,

I agree that posting names is a good thing. And I always do it, as you know.
I am also good with people outing fraudsters, particularly if, as there has been, before and after pics are posted that are pretty damning. In that specific instance, I am beyond OK with that even if they don't post names. Would I prefer that they did? certainly. But the evidence is rather compelling irrespective of that. If the authorities decide to take action, they will get those identities, I promise.

I am also good with the initial question Peter asked of Bobby. If you go read the thread, it is pretty clear that the CU reveal that was posted on Blowout indicated that Bobby posted under a, shall we say, assumed name, denied that it was him, and got caught based on previous posts where he had actually posted and identified himself under that same assumed name. It was really quite comical IMO.. I don't think there is anything wrong with calling him out for that either, because that was BS. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What's your basis for saying those outing the fraud are fraudsters, or some of them?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's your basis for saying those outing the fraud are fraudsters, or some of them?

I didn't say they "are" I said they could be. We don't know. That is the problem. Just like Manny getting booted from here as he wouldn't identify himself. There are some coincidences with him and a certain, well known fraudster, that are suspect to me. But maybe you are right. We don't know, is all we know for sure. I really don't want to talk about it any longer. Good luck and please keep helping to out fraud. I appreciate it (as well as a lot of other hobbyists).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't say they "are" I said they could be. We don't know. That is the problem. Just like Manny getting booted from here as he wouldn't identify himself. There are some coincidences with him and a certain, well known fraudster, that are suspect to me. But maybe you are right. We don't know, is all we know for sure. I really don't want to talk about it any longer. Good luck and please keep helping to out fraud. I appreciate it (as well as a lot of other hobbyists).

You said "probably."

But even if we knew their identities, that wouldn't conclusively prove or disprove anything either. People I had thought clean have turned out not to be. One never knows.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Leon

Well I agree that outing fraud is good. I just think some of those outing the fraud are probably fraudsters too. I realize you don't have an issue with that (or seem to insinuate that). I do, we can easily agree to disagree. That doesn't mean what they say isn't true.
I was taken to task over there for things I don't/didn't do. And the mods did nothing. And no, I would not answer anonymous posters questions either. IF they want to put their real, verifiable, name next to it I am happy to answer. But it would not be in a venue where those kind of patently false accusations, by anonymous (trolls in my book), don't get reprimanded. Overall, of course I am glad the fraud that was going on was outed and is being dealt with by authorities. I hope whomever is committing fraud in the hobby gets punished to the full extent of the law. It hurts all hobbyists.

I would certainly have an issue if they were actually committing fraud which was or could be proven, such as PWCC is doing. But I haven't seen any evidence of that. Zero. So at this point, what you think is speculation at best IMO. I can't really go too far on complete speculation. If you do, OK. I don't. If you have that fraudsters evidence that I haven't yet seen, show me what it is and I will look at it and maybe revise my opinion. I don't like fraudsters either. I just don't know why you are saying that.

Nor do I think that any of the accusations we are talking about are patently false. I actually feel that it is otherwise. And, with respect to the initial question Peter asked, Bobby outed himself. If you are dumb enough to do that, you get what you get. He deserves to be flamed. Its pretty easy IMO.

[BobbyVCP]

Just wanted to show you what the new My Collection now looks looks like now with card totals. Top is overall and then it is also in your groups.

Thanks to the member here for the idea...

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1563434469

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

This thread is awesome on so many levels. I can't stop laughing.

Arthur

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Bobby -- Agree with these points fully.

Being able to see a full-sized image for several examples within a given grade is the main utility of VCP for me. Not being able to see a blown-up image of each card within a given grade is a 100% killer.

VCP has been the best and pretty much only way to easily get a sense for what a very "strong for grade" vs "weak" card might sell for. The circular zoom is fine, but it's absolutely impossible to get an overall sense for the card without being able to see a rather large picture of the entire card.

Getting that large image of the card only with a single click would be ideal, and would be an improvement on the old separate popup window version of of the old site. Restricting the circular zoom feature to a hover feature, while being able to open the largest possible image with a single click on the image itself would be my recommendation.
--Or alternatively, making the white popup box substantially larger, so as to take up nearly the entire screen, might get us there as well.


Would really like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

+1000!! I would REALLY appreciate the larger images. If its one or the other, I would prefer the larger images to the magnification function, but would love both.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Total and utter garbage, and anyone that reads those threads will see that. If you’d just own up to it, you might regain some credibility. The fact that you aren’t has made me rethink giving you the benefit of the doubt about protecting PWCC.

No he won't he lost ALL credibility PERIOD continuing to display the biggest crook in the hobby of all times. BRENT MASTRO PWCC. Makes YOU a crook too Bobby VCP. Why don't you help the BO team instead of hindering them? Everyone is wondering. Just another idiot in on the scam, IMHO.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

No he won't he lost ALL credibility PERIOD continuing to display the biggest crook in the hobby of all times. BRENT MASTRO PWCC. Makes YOU a crook too Bobby VCP. Why don't you help the BO team instead of hindering them? Everyone is wondering. Just another idiot in on the scam, IMHO.

You know this is CRAZY.......

How am I hindering your precious BO Team?

Let me point out one VERY important FACT to you.

Worthpoint, PSA Auction Prices Realized, PWCC Market Prices

These 3 above all use the exact same API feed from eBay as we do so they get the exact same data and information that we do and can all post the exact same information that we do.

WHY IS IT THEY ALL CHOOSE NOT TO SHOW YOU THE BUYER INFORMATION

But we do????

So please tell be again how I am not helping your BO team and hindering their investigation.

[perezfan]

The timing of this change (especially with a more cumbersome ability to fully magnify the images) is the main thing that raised red flags.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

You know this is CRAZY.......

How am I hindering your precious BO Team?

Let me point out one VERY important FACT to you.

Worthpoint, PSA Auction Prices Realized, PWCC Market Prices

These 3 above all use the exact same API feed from eBay as we do so they get the exact same data and information that we do and can all post the exact same information that we do.

WHY IS IT THEY ALL CHOOSE NOT TO SHOW YOU THE BUYER INFORMATION

But we do????

So please tell be again how I am not helping your BO team and hindering their investigation.

PWCC doesn't show the buyer info? This is shocking. I am shocked.

Arthur

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

You know this is CRAZY.......

How am I hindering your precious BO Team?

Let me point out one VERY important FACT to you.

Worthpoint, PSA Auction Prices Realized, PWCC Market Prices

These 3 above all use the exact same API feed from eBay as we do so they get the exact same data and information that we do and can all post the exact same information that we do.

WHY IS IT THEY ALL CHOOSE NOT TO SHOW YOU THE BUYER INFORMATION

But we do????

So please tell be again how I am not helping your BO team and hindering their investigation.

It's not MY PRECIOUS BO TEAM", I'm banned from the site. I just call them as I see them....Making it harder for them to look up the pictures. I can tell you from using the site when I purchased my mantle, it wasn't user friendly in the first place, IMHO>ANd take the stupid PWCC banner down, it makes you look like an effin idiot, also IMHO.

[BobbyVCP]

In regards to the IMAGES and being accused of doing something to hinder you BO team. Check this email out almost a year ago...I think way before your BO team was even in existence.

You can see in detail that it says exactly what we where going to do and did.

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1563467856

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

In regards to the IMAGES and being accused of doing something to hinder you BO team. Check this email out almost a year ago...I think way before your BO team was even in existence.

You can see in detail that it says exactly what we where going to do and did.

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1563467856

A little ironic, in that it's very hard to see that as well. It needs to be blown up, but thanks for posting it.

[BobbyVCP]

You know what....

My Mother passed away last night

Me and who I am as a person. I am as honest and giving a person as you will ever meet. A straight shooter that usually says it as I see it. Hard for me to lie and sugarcoat anything. My daughter is a soccer player and goes to Williams College and won the D3 National Championship last season. Growing up playing soccer after every game we would talk and she would ask me how she played. My reply was " Do you want me to tell you what you want to hear or what I really thought" she always choose what I thought.

And yes sometimes I say some stupid things and put my foot in my own mouth. But that is who I am...

I started VCP 12 years ago and sold all my cards so I could be completely neutral and no one could ever accuse me of trying to manipulate values for my own personal gain. I wanted to be a rock and gate keeper for the market and run this site with integrity and tried to set rules that would make that a reality. In all these years I can't tell you how many times I have been approached to do things that are not on the up and up. Make price changes, make sales disappear, etc, etc..... I have never ever once compromised my principals or have done anything of the sort. I feel obligated to our membership to provide to them the most accurate and timely data possible with no exceptions. Yes there are errors because we are 100% transparent everyone can see those errors and they can report them to us so they can be fixed.

I am approachable but not always agreeable. People may get the wrong idea about me and think that I am mad or angry. Not the case life goes on and all I want is to develop a great product that everyone in this hobby can use to make better decisions.

It really upsets me to be honest that people think that I am a cheat, fraud, or have anything to do with any of this crap going on in this whole mess happening right now in this hobby. Because it is not true...i have ZERO knowledge of any of it and have gained nothing from it.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

It really upsets me to be honest that people think that I am a cheat, fraud, or have anything to do with any of this crap going on in this whole mess happening right now in this hobby.

Umm... because they're plastered across your home page?

Arthur

[Fuddjcal]

[QUOTE=BobbyVCP;1900167]You know what....

My Mother passed away last night


Now that is something I am very, very sorry about.
My deepest sympathies to you and your family.

[CuriousGeorge]

Bobby, terribly sorry to hear about your mom’s passing and condolences to you and your entire family. There will be a time and place to pose questions about some of your other statements but I think everyone should agree right now is not the time nor the place.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bobby, terribly sorry to hear about your mom’s passing and condolences to you and your entire family. There will be a time and place to pose questions about some of your other statements but I think everyone should agree right now is not the time nor the place.

+1.

Bobby, I am very sorry for your loss.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

You know what....

My Mother passed away last night

Very sorry for your loss.

[tsalem]

Auction images not uploading at all

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bobby -- when you're back to business after dealing with your family issues -- does VCP have any way to deal with the situation where ebay later marks a sale as unpaid and removes it from its market research tool? As you may have seen BO recently uncovered quite a few major cards that were on PWCC's website and VCP but which did not show up, apparently because they had been removed, on the ebay market research tool. Obviously this can result in misleading information about historical prices if these reported sales did not go through. Thanks.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bobby -- when you're back to business after dealing with your family issues -- does VCP have any way to deal with the situation where ebay later marks a sale as unpaid and removes it from its market research tool? As you may have seen BO recently uncovered quite a few major cards that were on PWCC's website and VCP but which did not show up, apparently because they had been removed, on the ebay market research tool. Obviously this can result in misleading information about historical prices if these reported sales did not go through. Thanks.

Peter,

This is done via PWCC and not a tool given via eBay. If PWCC would volunteer us that information that certain auctions did not complete because buyer failed their part we would gladly remove it from our database. REA in the past has done that with us after auctions have closed so that we could report accurately. Otherwise we have no way of knowing which ones did or did not complete.

Just to let you know eBay does not have a Market Place Tool, that is a name created by PWCC all they provide is an API feed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Peter,

This is done via PWCC and not a tool given via eBay. If PWCC would volunteer us that information that certain auctions did not complete because buyer failed their part we would gladly remove it from our database. REA in the past has done that with us after auctions have closed so that we could report accurately. Otherwise we have no way of knowing which ones did or did not complete.

Just to let you know eBay does not have a Market Place Tool, that is a name created by PWCC all they provide is an API feed.

Bobby yeah that's what I assumed. Thank you. I am glad to see REA at least is cognizant of the potential of reported prices that did not actually happen to mislead. I wish others would do the same.