PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I want that website and his business SHUTDOWN and him kicked out of the hobby. I also would like him to face tax evasion charges. Your brother is not a tax attorney so he'll need someone else for that too. The hobby is and will be infected with 100's of thousands of tainted cards, IMHO.

Jeff ain't FIXIN nuttin PERIOD

My understanding is that unlike in the securities area where the government has specific authority to seek relief barring people from the securities industry or barring individuals who commit securities fraud from serving as officers of publicly traded companies, the government does not have similar authority in other lines of business. It would have to be part of a plea bargain, and seems unlikely here.

[judsonhamlin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My understanding is that unlike in the securities area where the government has specific authority to seek relief barring people from the securities industry or barring individuals who commit securities fraud from serving as officers of publicly traded companies, the government does not have similar authority in other lines of business. It would have to be part of a plea bargain, and seems unlikely here.

Wouldn't any revocation of his Auctioneer's License have to either be a condition of a plea or upon independent action by the Oregon AG/Dep't. Of State/other licensing agency?
Has anyone reached out to the State of Oregon on this?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Wouldn't any revocation of his Auctioneer's License have to either be a condition of a plea or upon independent action by the Oregon AG/Dep't. Of State/other licensing agency?
Has anyone reached out to the State of Oregon on this?

No response from Oregon, according to someone who reached out some time ago.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No response from Oregon, according to someone who reached out some time ago.

A quick google search indicates you only need an auction license for certain types of items in Oregon. Liquor and livestock.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Wouldn't any revocation of his Auctioneer's License have to either be a condition of a plea or upon independent action by the Oregon AG/Dep't. Of State/other licensing agency?
Has anyone reached out to the State of Oregon on this?

Does he do auctioneering beyond ebay? Nobody needs a license to auction items off on ebay.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Does he do auctioneering beyond ebay? Nobody needs a license to auction items off on ebay.

Not quite that black and white. If you are a registered business using ebay as an auction platform to sell consigned goods in PA you are supposed to have a license. I am sure some other states are similar, and I'm sure it gets ignored, a LOT.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Wouldn't any revocation of his Auctioneer's License have to either be a condition of a plea or upon independent action by the Oregon AG/Dep't. Of State/other licensing agency?
Has anyone reached out to the State of Oregon on this?

Oregon only requires a license for certain types of auctions (livestock is one) I imagine Brent is not a licensed auctioneer.

EDIT: Dan beat me to it.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My understanding is that unlike in the securities area where the government has specific authority to seek relief barring people from the securities industry or barring individuals who commit securities fraud from serving as officers of publicly traded companies, the government does not have similar authority in other lines of business. It would have to be part of a plea bargain, and seems unlikely here.

It's going to boil down to Calvindog suing PSA anyway so I'll just wait for that by the end of the year. I guaran f en tee it.

A nice waste of money for all parties involved.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

A nice waste of money for all parties involved.

Naw, the lawyers will make out nicely.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

It's going to boil down to Calvindog suing PSA anyway so I'll just wait for that by the end of the year. I guaran f en tee it.

A nice waste of money for all parties involved.

Chuck, if it’s not your money why would you care?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Chuck, if it’s not your money why would you care?

Steven,

I have bought many high end cards from your brother over the years, I know this must be a tough time for both of you guys. But in the midst of this thread, there really hasn't been any clarification on Jeff's part pertaining what I'm about to ask.... If he is indeed looking to rectify a problem for collectors, isn't he in fact violating client privilege, or is Huigens pleading the fifth?

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Steven,

I have bought many high end cards from your brother over the years, I know this must be a tough time for both of you guys. But in the midst of this thread, there really hasn't been any clarification on Jeff's part pertaining what I'm about to ask.... If he is indeed looking to rectify a problem for collectors, isn't he in fact violating client privilege, or is Huigens pleading the fifth?

A tough time for us? Why? Actually things couldn’t be better for both of us so not sure what you mean by that?

As for Jeff and Brent and anything else hobby related, I’m not an attorney so not sure how attorney/client privilege plays into any of this or what Brent is planning on doing. For that you’re probably better off consulting with David James as he seems to think he has a better grasp of these topics. Unless of course he’s busy searching for El Chapo’s billions. What I do know though, is after replaying yesterday’s events my most poignant post yet could be the one about self fulfilling prophecy. Why anyone would go out of their way to assist many of you is probably a better question for you to ask?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

A tough time for us? Why? Actually things couldn’t be better for both of us so not sure what you mean by that?

As for Jeff and Brent and anything else hobby related, I’m not an attorney so not sure how attorney/client privilege plays into any of this or what Brent is planning on doing. For that you’re probably better off consulting with David James as he seems to think he has a better grasp of these topics. Unless of course he’s busy searching for El Chapo’s billions. What I do know though, is after replaying yesterday’s events my most poignant post yet could be the one about self fulfilling prophecy. Why anyone would go out of their way to assist many of you is probably a better question for you to ask?

Wow! Just wow....Good luck then.....Maybe a lot of the members are right

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Steven,

I have bought many high end cards from your brother over the years, I know this must be a tough time for both of you guys. But in the midst of this thread, there really hasn't been any clarification on Jeff's part pertaining what I'm about to ask.... If he is indeed looking to rectify a problem for collectors, isn't he in fact violating client privilege, or is Huigens pleading the fifth?

Kevin I think you're confusing a few concepts here. Attorney client privilege pertains to communications, which the attorney can't waive without the client's consent. But Jeff hasn't disclosed any privileged communications here. I think what you're really asking is can Jeff simultaneously represent Brent as well as the interests of collectors. The answer of course is no, IF there is a conflict then one's duty is solely to one's client. From Jeff's posts he obviously doesn't think there's a conflict; rather, he believes that the same thing that is in Brent's interest -- to cooperate and make restitution -- is also the best deal collectors are going to get out of this fiasco. People can of course disagree with this and have disagreed, and I am not defending that point of view here, just trying to answer your question as I assume after yesterday's ugliness Jeff may choose not to engage with the board over these topics any more. Hope that helps. PS not sure what the 5th Amendment has to do with any of this.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Kevin I think you're confusing a few concepts here. Attorney client privilege pertains to communications, which the attorney can't waive without the client's consent. But Jeff hasn't disclosed any privileged communications here. I think what you're really asking is can Jeff simultaneously represent Brent as well as the interests of collectors. The answer of course is no, IF there is a conflict then one's duty is solely to one's client. From Jeff's posts he obviously doesn't think there's a conflict; rather, he believes that the same thing that is in Brent's interest -- to cooperate and make restitution -- is also the best deal collectors are going to get out of this fiasco. People can of course disagree with this and have disagreed, and I am not defending that point of view here, just trying to answer your question as I assume after yesterday's ugliness Jeff may choose not to engage with the board over these topics any more. Hope that helps. PS not sure what the 5th Amendment has to do with any of this.

Pete...Just sarcasm....

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Chuck, if it’s not your money why would you care?

We all pay more in higher prices?

You're right, I really don't give a rats ass as I'll never purchase another card from this crooked industry again. You got me there. I just enjoy watching people flush money down the toilet with attorney fees, that's all.

That's why I run a clean business with integrity. It has served me very well financially. Funny when you work with integrity you don't need a criminal attorney, though my best friend is one. Look me up as I'm sure many other haters have. You'll find a speeding ticket in 2009.