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Old 07-24-2019, 05:55 PM
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Lots of lawyers have said lots of things on facebook/social media etc prior to trials, yet you never hear anything about in any trials because its means zero...lets stop debating that issue.

I wonder if any ex employees of PSA the last few months have any info..
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Lots of lawyers have said lots of things on facebook/social media etc prior to trials, yet you never hear anything about in any trials because its means zero...lets stop debating that issue.

I wonder if any ex employees of PSA the last few months have any info..
I would guess all PSA graders and former graders and other employees have NDAs. That said, I would imagine that if there has been anything untoward going on over the years, a grader blowing the whistle could be a major area of vulnerability. As I've said, at this point, nothing would surprise me.
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I would guess all PSA graders and former graders and other employees have NDAs. That said, I would imagine that if there has been anything untoward going on over the years, a grader blowing the whistle could be a major area of vulnerability. As I've said, at this point, nothing would surprise me.
I don't know, but I imagine a court order (supboena, I imagine) outweighs an NDA. IS that correct?
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I don't know, but I imagine a court order (supboena, I imagine) outweighs an NDA. IS that correct?
My understanding is that an NDA can't be enforced to silence information regarding illegal activities. So a person from PSA or PWCC with information on fraud would be free to disclose it without violating their NDA.

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My understanding is that an NDA can't be enforced to silence information regarding illegal activities. So a person from PSA or PWCC with information on fraud would be free to disclose it without violating their NDA.

* - I am not a lawyer.
As a practical matter, I wouldn't think anyone is going to try to sue someone for talking to the FBI.

More generally, there's a whole body of law about the balance between confidentiality obligations and whistleblower rights.
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I would guess all PSA graders and former graders and other employees have NDAs. That said, I would imagine that if there has been anything untoward going on over the years, a grader blowing the whistle could be a major area of vulnerability. As I've said, at this point, nothing would surprise me.
That makes me curious... could an ex PSA employee with an NDA successfully use that as an excuse to not answer questions from the FBI?

Or would that be more of a 5th amendment thing?

I'm thinking that wouldn't be taken well at all...
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That makes me curious... could an ex PSA employee with an NDA successfully use that as an excuse to not answer questions from the FBI?

Or would that be more of a 5th amendment thing?

I'm thinking that wouldn't be taken well at all...
I would think that an NDA would cover lawful portions of the business protecting trade secrets, technology, customer lists, proprietary info etc.. When it comes to illegal or criminal activity I would think the NDA is not valid for that...that would be like hiring a hit man, having him sign an NDA to do the job, getting caught and NOT spilling the beans... then again me not a barrister...
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I don't necessarily fault a TPG for innocently getting beat on some of the cards we have seen; the work is pretty good. I fault PSA 100% for not stepping up and telling everyone who has been victimized that PSA will stand by its work and its guarantee without reservation if the seller does not make restitution. Instead we get these asshat responses that alternate between disclaimers and fear-mongering. Oohhh, I am so scared to return to the old days of looking at cards myself instead of relying on a demonstrably unreliable service to look at them for me and give me an opinion it will not stand behind anyway.

If PSA was an umpire MLB would have kicked it to the curb for all these blown calls.
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I don't necessarily fault a TPG for innocently getting beat on some of the cards we have seen; the work is pretty good. I fault PSA 100% for not stepping up and telling everyone who has been victimized that PSA will stand by its work and its guarantee without reservation if the seller does not make restitution. Instead we get these asshat responses that alternate between disclaimers and fear-mongering. Oohhh, I am so scared to return to the old days of looking at cards myself instead of relying on a demonstrably unreliable service to look at them for me and give me an opinion it will not stand behind anyway.

If PSA was an umpire MLB would have kicked it to the curb for all these blown calls.
I agree except for the last line. I would introduce the work of Angel Hernandez as Exhibit "A" in rebuttal.
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