PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[CuriousGeorge]

Do you people really think Jeffrey needs Brent's fee? He represents people whose fees are into the 7 and 8 figures and has zero financial need to represent Brent. What he does have is a love of the hobby and is in a unique position to try and do his part to help fix this as best as he possibly can.

Did you read what he has written about Brent before he took him on as a client? Do you think on a personal level and as a baseball card collector he feels any differently today? I can assure you his level of nausea is as high as all of ours is.

Although I am not privy to the innerworkings of exactly what is transpiring between all of the parties (Jeff, Brent, law enforcement, etc), I am as familiar as any of you are as to the type of person and attorney he is. It would completely go against everything I know about the guy my entire life if he is just going to accept some BS fee that he doesn't need to roll over on the hobby he loves so much.

In the few months since this has all come out, apparently significant amounts of restitution has been paid back to people f*cked over by Brent, Moser and the rest. Articles have appeared in the national media that might not have appeared otherwise. Word is slowly circulating throughout the hobby while Steve Sloan and PSA are putting out ridiculous propaganda pieces. Would you prefer Sloan's statements to be the authority on how this all plays out?

I know you're all pissed off and I am too. We all wish Brent would lose every penny he has, go out of business, and share a cell with Moser for the next 10 years. But the reality in this country is that is not likely to happen. But what I can assure you is that this is the early innings of a 9 inning game and I suspect there will be more to come. Try to think through this rationally....does a guy who represents John Gotti Jr and El Chapo need to take a case like this for the fee? Or is there more to this?

My suggestion to everyone, if possible, is to take a deep breath and let this play out. Stop attacking him for things that have nothing to do with the case as we all have skeletons in our closet and some here have skeletons in the hobby. When he was suing Mastro, leading the fight against Mastro, most of you were attacking him too – mainly because you were in bed with Mastro or because he had pointed out your own fraud. Try to see the bigger picture here and reread what he had to say about Brent a mere few weeks ago. While I am in no way insinuating he would ever do anything not in the best interest of his client, I suspect there is more here than you or I can know. Let's see where this goes in the next few months and I imagine we all could be pleasantly surprised.

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Do you people really think Jeffrey needs Brent's fee? He represents people whose fees are into the 7 and 8 figures and has zero financial need to represent Brent. What he does have is a love of the hobby and is in a unique position to try and do his part to help fix this as best as he possibly can.

Wrong wrong and wrong, he IS doing it for the money, he came on the board and said as much. He does not care about the hobby either, he cares about his collection. The only thing I agree with you is that we should not attack him personally but, I think that about anyone everyone on the board.

[japhi]

Will Mom be joing the forum to defend him next?

And the “does he need the fee” argument is ridiculous. I bet he is making his standard fee or more. And getting paid very handsomely. Which is his perogative, I couldn’t care less. God bless him, someone has to represent Brent. Does he need the fee, who knows, but unless he is working pro bono I will assume he is working for the fee.

Listen he was the guy crowing that Brent should go to jail and will be the one that ensures Brent doesn’t go to jail. Brents highest profile detractor is now his defender. To try and spin this as doing the hobby a favour is laughable.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by japhi

Will Mom be joing the forum to defend him next?

And the “does he need the fee” argument is ridiculous. I bet he is making his standard fee or more. And getting paid very handsomely. Which is his perogative, I couldn’t care less. God bless him, someone has to represent Brent. Does he need the fee, who knows, but unless he is working pro bono I will assume he is working for the fee.

Listen he was the guy crowing that Brent should go to jail and will be the one that ensures Brent doesn’t go to jail. Brents highest profile detractor is now his adversary. To try and spin this as doing the hobby a favour is laughable.

Brent or Betsy must be very convincing.

[CuriousGeorge]

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

[slidekellyslide]

Steven, you're in a position to know Jeff's motives better because you almost set up a vault with PWCC? That doesn't even make sense.

[CuriousGeorge]

[QUOTE=slidekellyslide;1902143]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better./QUOTE]

You're in a position to know Jeff's motives better because you almost set up a vault with PWCC? That doesn't even make sense.

Why don't you look at the name on my account?

[slidekellyslide]

[QUOTE=CuriousGeorge;1902144]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why don't you look at the name on my account?

I noticed that a long time ago, but I guess never asked. Is he your brother? I don't ask every member named Smith, Jones and Peterson if they are related.

[CuriousGeorge]

Yes he is my younger brother which only makes me even more infuriated that he would represent such a lying, slimy piece of garbage, who intentionally tried to f*ck me and did so to many of you. But all I can say now is grab of box of popcorn and watch this play out. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

That tells me that the FBI would like to knock this one out and move on. Jeff gets paid, PWCC makes relatively minor restitution, and the FBI gets to release a favourable press release. Win win win. This won’t ever hit the courts and there will not be a full accounting. The message in the hobby will be fraud pays. The hobby will be the big loser here.

How do you see this ending?

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by japhi

That tells me that the FBI would like to knock this one out and move on. Jeff gets paid, PWCC makes relatively minor restitution, and the FBI gets to release a favourable press release. Win win win. This won’t ever hit the courts and there will not be a full accounting. The message in the hobby will be fraud pays. The hobby will be the big loser here.

How do you see this ending?

Matt, you may be right but I hope you're wrong. He can't dictate how the FBI chooses to handle this but he can lay out the picture in a way few others can. My brother has very few things in life that mean a lot to him and this hobby is one of them. He has more business than hours in a year. He has no need for this case financially.

[JollyElm]

When is the Moser family reunion happening? Maybe he'll send his siblings on here to blow smoke up our asses, too.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

He has no need for this case financially.

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

You’re solely making this personal against Jeff. If it came out Robert Shapiro was Brent’s counsel you wouldn’t say a word.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

With a wife and a girlfriend, I think you're wrong.

Just because someone makes a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of money. I know people that make $200K a year and are drowning in debt. Then again, you hear about these reclusive people with low paying jobs that pass away and come to find out afterwards they're millionaires because they never spent a dime. It's not how much you make, it's how much you bank.

The fact that you equate his wealth with his income shows what little you know, brother or not.

All I can say to this is I’m sure 99% of you wish you were in the financial position he is. I’m not bragging because I’m sure he could care less what any of you think but again, he did not take this case for the fee. As hard as this may be to do, try and think through how this problem would have played out without his involvement. Like all of the others maybe? People are getting paid back for altered cards, stories are getting written in national papers, and so on. Do you think with any of your involvement this could have happened? Is it better nothing gets done or all of us just complaining on message boards?

[japhi]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Matt, you may be right but I hope you're wrong. He can't dictate how the FBI chooses to handle this but he can lay out the picture in a way few others can. My brother has very few things in life that mean a lot to him and this hobby is one of them. He has more business than hours in a year. He has no need for this case financially.

Fair enough, I can appreciate where you are coming from and respect your position

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Bob and Matt, with all due respect, I think I'm in a position to know better. No one on this board thinks Brent is more of a piece of garbage than I do. No one wants to see him pay for his crimes more than me. I was inches away from giving this idiot a bunch of money as an investment and fortunately was advised not to at the last moment. I set up a vault and was about to send cards to him and thankfully was convinced not to. I'm pissed off, you all are too, and we all have every right to be. The optics of him representing this trash looks bad, but yet the FBI is happy about it. What does that tell you?

You can't hate him more than I do.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Wrong wrong and wrong, he IS doing it for the money, he came on the board and said as much. He does not care about the hobby either, he cares about his collection. The only thing I agree with you is that we should not attack him personally but, I think that about anyone everyone on the board.

Originally Posted by japhi

Will Mom be joing the forum to defend him next?

And the “does he need the fee” argument is ridiculous. I bet he is making his standard fee or more. And getting paid very handsomely. Which is his perogative, I couldn’t care less. God bless him, someone has to represent Brent. Does he need the fee, who knows, but unless he is working pro bono I will assume he is working for the fee.

Listen he was the guy crowing that Brent should go to jail and will be the one that ensures Brent doesn’t go to jail. Brents highest profile detractor is now his adversary. To try and spin this as doing the hobby a favour is laughable.

You two gentlemen are hilarious and I completely agree.

There is no way this is going to be good for the hobby.