David Hall auctioning his t206 master collection

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree having at least one would be nice but was curious about your boycotting. Heritage is doing the auctions and nearly all of David's cards were graded before all this card doctoring.

Propping up the resale value of cards in their slabs is something I'm not going to do at this point. I am not throwing shade on this collection, but if they were altered, it's kind of been shown that PSA likely didn't catch it. And their current leadership isn't doing enough *in broad daylight* to make me feel good about purchasing their cards for my own collection.

Even if it was a graded card of Lionel Carter or Jefferson Burdick currently residing in a PSA, SGC, or BGS holder, I wouldn't purchase it right now. I want to hold the Third Party Graders to a higher standard than they seem to hold themselves to.

[Gradedcardman]

All I have here is wow. Ron is correct. I would venture to say that any card David bought graded PSA stayed PSA. Would the naysayers also believe that he was altering coins along the way ? Can we get back to collecting and move on ? If this "scandal" takes the fun out of it for you then sell your stuff and buy some vintage cars or Guitars or Art...There's never any altering with those collectibles.

[Rhotchkiss]

I think all of you should stay away from Hall's collection and nobody should bid. Its way too dangerous.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

All I have here is wow. Ron is correct. I would venture to say that any card David bought graded PSA stayed PSA. Would the naysayers also believe that he was altering coins along the way ? Can we get back to collecting and move on ? If this "scandal" takes the fun out of it for you then sell your stuff and buy some vintage cars or Guitars or Art...There's never any altering with those collectibles.

Thanks Adam...Spot on....People, move on will you? All of this shit is ridiculous and it has consumed this forum for 6 freaking months! By the way, David is laughing his ass off.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah, if only it wasn't real.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, if only it wasn't real.

So what exactly is the argument against Hall? PSA? Is he a conspirator for Brent Huigens? Where does this nonsense end? I sold David Hall several cards that were SGC graded....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

So what exactly is the argument against Hall? PSA? Is he a conspirator for Brent Huigens? Where does this nonsense end? I sold David Hall several cards that were SGC graded....

I didn't say anything specifically against Hall other than pointing out that if he had his graders grade his own cards, that's a note of caution. More generally, I believe lots of high grade T206s are altered. Nothing to do with Brent Huigens. The problem with altered cards goes much deeper than him.

As for PSA, I wouldn't even know where to begin at this point. I'll spare you. Read.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I didn't say anything specifically against Hall other than pointing out that if he had his graders grade his own cards, that's a note of caution. More generally, I believe lots of high grade T206s are altered. Nothing to do with Brent Huigens. The problem with altered cards goes much deeper than him.

As for PSA, I wouldn't even know where to begin at this point. I'll spare you. Read.

Peter, These freaking threads go on and on and on....Where does it end? These posts on N54 are every single week with no resolve. People said Brent Huigens would be out of business, guess what? He's not. 2 or 3 years ago it was Probstein being put out of business, guess what? he's not....So who's to blame? Now David Hall?

[steve B]

How much time do you need to unload altered high grade cards before we can get back to it?

The amount of denial and deflection is frankly more bothersome than the altering and fraud..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

How much time do you need to unload altered high grade cards before we can get back to it?

The amount of denial and deflection is frankly more bothersome than the altering and fraud..

The Kool Aid tastes just as good as ever, Steve.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Thanks Adam...Spot on....People, move on will you? All of this shit is ridiculous and it has consumed this forum for 6 freaking months! By the way, David is laughing his ass off.....

LOL. Not going to move on until some people are in jail and PSA and Beckett confess to their inability to detect alterations. We are still very early in this story.