I totally forgot PWCC had an auction ending tonight

Throttlesteer · #1 07-15-2019, 05:39 PM

One other possibility is to manipulate the scans to make the borders or colors brighter. I'm not saying that bleach was or wasn't used, but it's another way to make the card look good for prospective bidders.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 07-15-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

One other possibility is to manipulate the scans to make the borders or colors brighter. I'm not saying that bleach was or wasn't used, but it's another way to make the card look good for prospective bidders.

Read the description which I quoted.

Throttlesteer · #3 07-15-2019, 05:50 PM

I did. It references clean, free of toning. But. It doesnt necessarily negate my comment. A quick Google of 1932 US Caramels shows several old PSA examples with similar borders. Again, I'm not claiming it wasnt bleached, but I'm not as sure about this one as some.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 07-15-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I did. It references clean, free of toning. But. It doesnt necessarily negate my comment.

PWCC stickered card, US Caramel described as free of toning or nearly so, plus scan that is blinding white. I'll rely on my experience and common sense here, do as you wish.

RedsFan1941 · #5 07-15-2019, 06:21 PM

I do not know what is more puzzling. That people on this board continue to do business with pwcc or that they post about it like it�s nothing. congrats to everyone on their pwcc pickups. I hope every card is not what it was represented to be.

bnorth · #6 07-15-2019, 06:34 PM

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I do not know what is more puzzling. That people on this board continue to do business with pwcc or that they post about it like it�s nothing. congrats to everyone on their pwcc pickups. I hope every card is not what it was represented to be.

It is seriously puzzling but with all the ethical questions I have seen posted over the years I am not surprised. The bright side is some very unethical people are honest about it.

Steve D · #7 07-15-2019, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

I do not know what is more puzzling. That people on this board continue to do business with pwcc or that they post about it like it�s nothing. congrats to everyone on their pwcc pickups. I hope every card is not what it was represented to be.

Here's why I choose to continue to bid with PWCC:

I live in an area (South-Central Texas), where the closest card show occurs twice a year, and is 200 miles away. I am dealing with chronic medical/physical issues that mean I'm no longer able to travel that far. I'm also not able to walk very far without difficulty.

That leaves ebay and auction houses as my only resource for adding to my collection. Believe me, I look all over for the cards I want (including the BST Forum here), and for the most part, PWCC is one of the very few that seem to get what I'm wanting.

I have always been a "Buy the card, and not the holder!" person. A large amount of the time, I disregard a card on my wantlist even though it is in the grade I want; because it doesn't have the "eye-appeal" I'm looking for, or the seller doesn't provide large enough front/back scans. I carefully examine every card I consider buying.

I totally understand everyone's feelings about the current issues; I tend to agree with them. I do not feel, however, that I can simply disregard PWCC (or anyone else) out-of-hand, if I want to continue collecting.

Steve

Kenny Cole · #8 07-15-2019, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve D

Here's why I choose to continue to bid with PWCC:

I live in an area (South-Central Texas), where the closest card show occurs twice a year, and is 200 miles away. I am dealing with chronic medical/physical issues that mean I'm no longer able to travel that far. I'm also not able to walk very far without difficulty.

That leaves ebay and auction houses as my only resource for adding to my collection. Believe me, I look all over for the cards I want (including the BST Forum here), and for the most part, PWCC is one of the very few that seem to get what I'm wanting.

I have always been a "Buy the card, and not the holder!" person. A large amount of the time, I disregard a card on my wantlist even though it is in the grade I want; because it doesn't have the "eye-appeal" I'm looking for, or the seller doesn't provide large enough front/back scans. I carefully examine every card I consider buying.

I totally understand everyone's feelings about the current issues; I tend to agree with them. I do not feel, however, that I can simply disregard PWCC (or anyone else) out-of-hand, if I want to continue collecting.

Steve

I respectfully suggest that you are exactly the type of prey PWCC is looking for. If you choose to do that after all that has been said here, good luck to you. I personally think you are making a huge mistake, but everyone is entitled to make his or her own decision. I hope that it works out for you.

bounce · #9 07-15-2019, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

I do not know what is more puzzling. That people on this board continue to do business with pwcc or that they post about it like it�s nothing. congrats to everyone on their pwcc pickups. I hope every card is not what it was represented to be.

Lots of focus on the bidders, but what about the consignors? Isn�t that really where it starts? Takes both to tango, but surely all the PWCC consignors aren�t scam artists?

Just pointing out there are multiple facets to this whole situation.

Kenny Cole · #10 07-15-2019, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bounce

Lots of focus on the bidders, but what about the consignors? Isn�t that really where it starts? Takes both to tango, but surely all the PWCC consignors aren�t scam artists?

Just pointing out there are multiple facets to this whole situation.

At this point, I don't which are and which aren't. But I damn sure know some are scammers. That, in and of itself, is enough for me to say I'm out. Maybe I will miss some cards on my want list that are actually good. But I have no confidence that is true at this point. So I will take a hard pass on that. I can wait.

Bugsy · #11 07-16-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

I do not know what is more puzzling. That people on this board continue to do business with pwcc or that they post about it like it�s nothing. congrats to everyone on their pwcc pickups. I hope every card is not what it was represented to be.

That is exactly how I feel. Everyone is outraged about cards being doctored, but even people posting in these threads continue to support PWCC.

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