T206 Blue Old Mill Back

[Sean]

I'll look for you Scott.

[Ronnie73]

Sounds like a very interesting find. I was made aware of the find a couple days ago. Hopefully it's the real deal. I'm sure more exist out there waiting to be found. Unfortunately the Walsh never had really good scans and just the auction house scan which is really hard to see any color difference. That was the main reason for doing so many scans with a flatbed scanner and a usb microscope on the Blue Old Mill Powell. Then making a YouTube video to bring awareness to the variation that could be searched for. I hope the Elberfeld gets some scans that can be shared to everyone that actually show a comparison color difference. When the Walsh came out, everyone said you had to see it in person to tell the difference. That was disappointing.

So the SGC thing, they didn't want to give an opinion or refused to grade it as a Blue Old Mill? I haven't graded mine yet but figured that it would have to be graded by SGC since they were the one's that graded the Walsh. I haven't reached out to SGC or PSA on grading my card yet but will at some point. It just has not been a top priority since I have done so many comparison scans along with a video and also know the card its self is genuine. I would like to know how SGC determined that the Walsh was blue. Did they compare it to other cards or try to determine where the blue ink came from? I always thought the holder should have said "Printed with whatever blue ink" because I can say mine is 100 percent Piedmont blue.

My T206 Blue Old Mill Powell YouTube Video https://youtu.be/p5qUHZQLeFw

[hpkatz26]

Ron - The video was great and thanks for doing it. Actually mine looks identical as far as the blue Old Mill back was concerned. It certainly seems to me that mine is real too but if a grading/authentication service has the courage to grade it properly again then everyone will know one way or the other. Thanks so much for your comments. Best regards, Howard

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by hpkatz26

Ron - The video was great and thanks for doing it. Actually mine looks identical as far as the blue Old Mill back was concerned. It certainly seems to me that mine is real too but if a grading/authentication service has the courage to grade it properly again then everyone will know one way or the other. Thanks so much for your comments. Best regards, Howard

Any chance we can see a picture of it?

[hpkatz26]

The auction company has asked that no pictures be published on this card until it has been graded - no one wants to mislead anyone here. Let's wait and see how the grading effort turns out and then pictures can be posted for everyone to see. I also believe the auction company might show it at the upcoming National so if you're attending the upcoming National at Rosemont, please stop by the REA tables and ask if you can see it. Sorry but that is the best advice I can give to everyone. Thanks to everyone for their interest. I don't think you will be disappointed in the outcome and the card will not be put up for sale until the grading controversy is resolved to everyone's satisfaction. The proof will be in the pudding! Best regards all, Howard

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by hpkatz26

The auction company has asked that no pictures be published on this card until it has been graded - no one wants to mislead anyone here. Let's wait and see how the grading effort turns out and then pictures can be posted for everyone to see. I also believe the auction company might show it at the upcoming National so if you're attending the upcoming National at Rosemont, please stop by the REA tables and ask if you can see it. Sorry but that is the best advice I can give to everyone. Thanks to everyone for their interest. I don't think you will be disappointed in the outcome and the card will not be put up for sale until the grading controversy is resolved to everyone's satisfaction. The proof will be in the pudding! Best regards all, Howard

Thanks for the explanation, good luck with the sale.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by hpkatz26

The auction company has asked that no pictures be published on this card until it has been graded - no one wants to mislead anyone here. Let's wait and see how the grading effort turns out and then pictures can be posted for everyone to see. I also believe the auction company might show it at the upcoming National so if you're attending the upcoming National at Rosemont, please stop by the REA tables and ask if you can see it. Sorry but that is the best advice I can give to everyone. Thanks to everyone for their interest. I don't think you will be disappointed in the outcome and the card will not be put up for sale until the grading controversy is resolved to everyone's satisfaction. The proof will be in the pudding! Best regards all, Howard

In one way, I can understand their decision but in the other, I think it could be a mistake. The opinion of many of the members here on Net54 is very important. Not all of us will make it to the National to see it. Hopefully REA realizes that this card deserves a little more than the normal auction. Looking forward to seeing if it grades. I hope it does, it will make grading mine easier.

[sb1]

In regards to the Blue back Sovereign I posted above, SGC did in fact holder it Authentic and each person on their staff(and the floor), unequivocally said it was Blue. SGC just won't label any color errors on the flips at this time due to policy. They stated that I could tell people it was Blue, the A label basically portrays their opinion of it being Blue as well, and being a legitimate card.

I have added a scan of the front, most had seen it elsewhere, it appears to be missing the red and/or orange color pass. At one time someone said the card might have been soaked and changed colors, I have seen 100's maybe thousands of soaked T206's and none have changed colors, the ones done chemically turned out psychedelic. And..if the card were soaked turning the green blue in some way, why is the grass still green on the front...Printers scrap maybe? Doctored I doubt it, it was unknown to it's owner in a large T206 holding.