Piedmont Question, RE Wagner & Plank

[sando69]

or, how about the tinker- hands on knees?

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by sando69

or, how about the tinker- hands on knees?

What's unique about that one in regard to the 150 series? The Chicago under type?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by sando69

or, how about the tinker- hands on knees?

That's the clearest example.

Chicago clearly visible on the uniform
Partly visible,
not there at all.

As far as I know there are only two of the first, and the other two I think are about equal.

since the stones would have had the images laid out with transfers, they represent three different press runs.

What we will probably never know is if the art was changed for Tinker only, or if they did small changes to other cards as well.

I have a card that I think might be a similar thing to the Chicago clearly visible, but it's in rough shape, and I'm not positive.

The mix of cards on a sheet changed, since we have only 12 cards that are 150 only and lots of evidence from the P150 plate scratches that the sheet was larger than 12 cards wide.
There's also the bit of packing plant log describing a packing as being for Philadelphia territory or other than Philadelphia territory

[PolarBear]

The different printings makes sense, and I agree that it's more complicated than a straightforward Piedmont first theory.

What I hoped is that it might be possible to determine the original 150 subjects before the substitution of subjects occurred. (assuming substitutions occurred at all)

It's recognized that there are 156 150 subjects, and we can combine Magee with Magie, since Magie obviously had to be part of the original 150.

That leaves 5 cards that I think are candidates for not being in the original 150 roster - Wagner, Plank, Lundgren, Jennings, and Crawford.

None of those 5 are found with Sovereign 150 backs.

Crawford is SC and Piedmont.

Jennings and Lundgren are Piedmont only.

Wagner and Plank are SC and Piedmont, but never issued in Piedmont packs, effectively making them SC only.

Unfortunately, none of that adds up to anything straight forward as far as being able to determine if there were actually 150 original subjects.

It would be a lot easier if both SC and Sovereign had only 150, and Piedmont included the other 5 in issued packs. Then it might make sense.

So, I suppose the answer probably is: There isn't really an original 150.

I'd love to continue the conversation and maybe shed some light on how the different printings affect the 5 subjects that aren't included with all three 150 backs.