The Superiority of SGC

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.

Newport Beach can’t Really be this bad at their Job can they ? ....am I the only one who thinks there maybe could be someone on the inside over their connected doing bad things grading all these bad cards giving them grades
....I sure hope and pray not.....but I’m suspicious of it....

[swarmee]

Yes, they can be this bad at their job. Beckett is definitely handing out favorable grades to their largest submitters (in fact they've even used it as a sales tactic for accounts). Look up the Joe Clemons thread on the Blowout baseball board for evidence.

But PSA just seems to be completely incapable of detecting these alterations. I cataloged the various alterations they've missed so far elsewhere, but will retype it here:
1) Trimming (even heavy trimming)
2) False rough cuts
3) Filled Pinholes
4) Missed erasures
5) Bleaching and stain removal
6) Crease removal by pressing/spooning
7) Rebuilt corners
8) Intentionally rounded corners (unnatural wear)
9) Recoloring
10) Reglossing has been accused

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yes, they can be this bad at their job. Beckett is definitely handing out favorable grades to their largest submitters (in fact they've even used it as a sales tactic for accounts). Look up the Joe Clemons thread on the Blowout baseball board for evidence.

But PSA just seems to be completely incapable of detecting these alterations. I cataloged the various alterations they've missed so far elsewhere, but will retype it here:
1) Trimming (even heavy trimming)
2) False rough cuts
3) Filled Pinholes
4) Missed erasures
5) Bleaching and stain removal
6) Crease removal by pressing/spooning
7) Rebuilt corners
8) Intentionally rounded corners (unnatural wear)
9) Recoloring
10) Reglossing has been accused

So you don’t think there could be something nefarious going on at PSA ???
Your take would be They just really suck at their job???

Invoice track down of whom submitted these cards for GM would be really interesting to put any possible links together....
Should be a interesting case we shall see

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

So you don’t think there could be something nefarious going on at PSA ???
Your take would be They just really suck at their job???

There have been over a hundred different Moser-affiliated submissions posted on Blowout already. It's seemingly impossible this is just a few rogue employees that have been shielding/facilitating their submissions for 20 years. They are just incompetent.
That's why when I first started asking them the tough questions two months ago the options were: INCOMPETENT or COMPLICIT?

All the evidence that continues to come out daily is that they're incompetent.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by swarmee

There have been over a hundred different Moser-affiliated submissions posted on Blowout already. It's seemingly impossible this is just a few rogue employees that have been shielding/facilitating their submissions for 20 years. They are just incompetent.
That's why when I first started asking them the tough questions two months ago the options were: INCOMPETENT or COMPLICIT?

All the evidence that continues to come out daily is that they're incompetent.

If that’s true what point is their services anymore? And I’m not in disagreement with you John, I agree. Their utter incompetence and arrogance are quite frankly at this point a do service to the hobby, or should I say industry because that’s what it’s all about.....money. They don’t care about getting it right .....sad

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

If that’s true what point is their services anymore?

This is the exact right question. Since the Emperor is wearing no clothes, why should any high grade card have a value worth more than a nice looking Altered card? If enough people start subscribing to that way of thinking, the whole exponential growth curve of graded card collapses.
This is why there are only a few people discussing it on this board and Blowout, and almost nobody on the CU/PSA boards. Too much invested in the segment. If you have millions of dollars in graded cards right now, you're freaking out. The vast majority is sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that it will all just blow over and go away, protecting their asset class.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by swarmee

This is the exact right question. Since the Emperor is wearing no clothes, why should any high grade card have a value worth more than a nice looking Altered card? If enough people start subscribing to that way of thinking, the whole exponential growth curve of graded card collapses.
This is why there are only a few people discussing it on this board and Blowout, and almost nobody on the CU/PSA boards. Too much invested in the segment. If you have millions of dollars in graded cards right now, you're freaking out. The vast majority is sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that it will all just blow over and go away, protecting their asset class.

yup!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by swarmee

This is the exact right question. Since the Emperor is wearing no clothes, why should any high grade card have a value worth more than a nice looking Altered card? If enough people start subscribing to that way of thinking, the whole exponential growth curve of graded card collapses.
This is why there are only a few people discussing it on this board and Blowout, and almost nobody on the CU/PSA boards. Too much invested in the segment. If you have millions of dollars in graded cards right now, you're freaking out. The vast majority is sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that it will all just blow over and go away, protecting their asset class.

Yes Sir !!! Very well said! In agreement 100% John I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels like we do!