PWCC PSA2 T3 Cobb

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by dariushou

The only right thing to do in my opinion is to either pull the auction or put it in the title of the auction. It needs to be clear and conspicuous and anything less such as including it in the description is not going to hold up. It's ridiculous to do anything other than those two options in my opinion. If someone buys that card and claim they didn't see the fine print (the description) then you will lose. FTC Standard and let me tell you something..it applies here. You know the card is altered and so does everyone reading this forum and Brent. Anything less is fraud in my opinion.

If I were even trying to do this right I would also include a picture of the card in the AUTH holder. And take out that fraudulent statement that the 2 grade is appropriate. No it isn't and you know it.

But I don't see any way to do this right. It's an altered card in a 2 holder and all the disclosure in the world isn't going to stop the buyer from reselling it without disclosure and that is a real concern.

[dariushou]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If I were even trying to do this right I would also include a picture of the card in the AUTH holder. And take out that fraudulent statement that the 2 grade is appropriate. No it isn't and you know it.

But I don't see any way to do this right. It's an altered card in a 2 holder and all the disclosure in the world isn't going to stop the buyer from reselling it without disclosure and that is a real concern.

I agree. It really should be pulled. These altered cards need to be marked in some way (invisible ink...but geez...maybe moser and crew can erase that). I hate to say destroy such card...but what else can you do. Actually, i think i read where someone said put a hole through it -- maybe invisible ink and a hole through it. scammers probably will fill the hole and erase invisible ink though. Man this sucks...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by dariushou

I agree. It really should be pulled. These altered cards need to be marked in some way (invisible ink...but geez...maybe moser and crew can erase that). I hate to say destroy such card...but what else can you do. Actually, i think i read where someone said put a hole through it -- maybe invisible ink and a hole through it. scammers probably will fill the hole and erase invisible ink though. Man this sucks...

I would be OK with returning it to an AUTH/Altered holder.

[dariushou]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would be OK with returning it to an AUTH/Altered holder.

Unfortunately, it will just be cracked out. I'm not as tech savvy as some, but maybe some sort of application that could identify the card compared to past transactions...but then again that doesn't stop the card doctors from card doctoring cards that haven't been up for sale in recent history.

I just don't see a solution for current doctored cards unless they are destroyed...or clearly mark the card in some way. At least the card that is marked in some clear way could be scanned front and back and entered into a database so that collectors could compare the card against. I don't know. just playing the guessing game here. again, this doesn't protect the cards that are not known to be doctored...

[jfkheat]

Here is the sale when it was in an Authentic holder

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would be OK with returning it to an AUTH/Altered holder.

Seems like the easy solution but still doesn't prevent crack out resubs. If they missed it once...

[pokerplyr80]

Waiting on a response from Brent and I reached out to Dan as well and am waiting on his response. I will update with more information as I have it.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Waiting on a response from Brent and I reached out to Dan as well and am waiting on his response. I will update with more information as I have it.

As we all eagerly wait, how's everyone's Saturday night otherwise?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by kateighty

As we all eagerly wait, how's everyone's Saturday night otherwise?

I assume that was said in jest, but will update any way. I just got off the phone with Brent and it was mutually agreed upon that the listing will be ended and the card returned to me. I will reach out to PSA and see if Dan responds and will report the outcome.

There were a few factors in play that led to a delay in what I first mentioned would be the probable outcome after the blowout post. But I do believe that this is the best course of action at this time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

That's good to hear. In my opinion that's definitely the right way to deal with the situation. No question it sucks as you innocently purchased the card and paid a good amount for it.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's good to hear. In my opinion that's definitely the right way to deal with the situation. No question it sucks as you innocently purchased the card and paid a good amount for it.

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What about if he returns it to the seller? Is that a legitimate option? I may have missed some stuff, but if someone sold me something that was found to be tainted, I’d go back to the guy I bought it from.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by wondo

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What about if he returns it to the seller? Is that a legitimate option? I may have missed some stuff, but if someone sold me something that was found to be tainted, I’d go back to the guy I bought it from.

Absolutely. Return it.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by wondo

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What about if he returns it to the seller? Is that a legitimate option? I may have missed some stuff, but if someone sold me something that was found to be tainted, I’d go back to the guy I bought it from.

Maybe I missed another response in addition to Kat's, but what is the seller's responsibility if he sells a tainted card? Can he claim novice ignorance, just say, "It was Moser and PWCC!", and wash his hands?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's good to hear. In my opinion that's definitely the right way to deal with the situation. No question it sucks as you innocently purchased the card and paid a good amount for it.

Yes, good to hear and it does suck. I feel bad you're wrapped up in this. Honestly

BUT, It does go to show why you like to stick up for Brent Mastro all the time with all the 10's of 1000's of fraudulent acts he has committed...your sleeping with the fraud dog & maybe you didn't get the memo that the dog has fleas?

Hard to believe that with what you know, you would still do business with a F face like that, the king of trim. Imho, That card was probably recycled 3 times around PWCC for years before Dan got to it. Good luck with PSA too, they should stand right behind you!

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I assume that was said in jest, but will update any way. I just got off the phone with Brent and it was mutually agreed upon that the listing will be ended and the card returned to me. I will reach out to PSA and see if Dan responds and will report the outcome.

There were a few factors in play that led to a delay in what I first mentioned would be the probable outcome after the blowout post. But I do believe that this is the best course of action at this time.

Nope not in jest. I'm here on a Saturday night awaiting the outcome like everyone else. Why I'm not sure after Leon called me, the only vocal woman here, too thin skinned for this forum in a PM. Me and my thin skin are waiting here just like everyone else.