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……………. The 150 Series backs associated with the Elite 11 subjects ……………...


The Elite 11 with EPDG backs are not quite as rare as with the PIEDMONT 350. Nevertheless, the EPDG's are tough.
I acquired 8 of the Elite 11 with the EPDG back. Subsequently, I traded 4 of them. These 4 remain in my collection.
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TED Z
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……………. The 150 Series backs associated with the Elite 11 subjects ……………...


Gee guys,

I expected to see some more Elite 11 cards. And especially nicer looking ones than mine. Usually, most of these Elite 11 cards (when found) appear to be Vg (or worse).
Probably, the nicest looking one I've had was this Lindaman, which I acquired at the National in 2008……


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Since I had two Lindaman's, I sold this nicer one because I was offered a price for it that I could not refuse.

There appears to be a certain fascination with these Elite 11 T206's....so, why not Show-n-Tell us of your Elite 11 cards ?


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Here is my group of Elite 11 cards. I didn't realize how many I had graded until I managed to get them all together. Looks like I have a few to upgrade at some point also.

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……………. The 150 Series backs associated with the Elite 11 subjects ……………...



Hi Ron

Now that's a really nice display of your Elite 11 cards. Thanks for posting them.

It is interesting that you are missing Tom Jones and Lundgren with PIEDMONT 350 backs. But, you do have Spencer with the PIEDMONT 350 back.

Experience has shown that these three Elite 11 subjects are considerably tougher to find than the rest of the Eleven with the PIEDMONT 350 back.

Good luck in finding Jones and Lundgren.


TED Z
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…………….. The 150 Series backs associated with the Elite 11 subjects ……………..



Hey Ron

In your scans on Post #754 you included the SOVEREIGN 150 cards, which reminded me that the SOVEREIGN 150 cards of the Elite 11 appear to be much more difficult
to find than their PIEDMONT or SWEET CAPORAL counterparts.
I'm curious if your experience finding the SOVEREIGN 150 cards of the Elite 11 subjects was similar to mine ?


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TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Ron

In your scans on Post #754 you included the SOVEREIGN 150 cards, which reminded me that the SOVEREIGN 150 cards of the Elite 11 appear to be much more difficult
to find than their PIEDMONT or SWEET CAPORAL counterparts.
I'm curious if your experience finding the SOVEREIGN 150 cards of the Elite 11 subjects was similar to mine ?

TED Z
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Hi Ted, I found the Sovereign 150 Elite 11 cards to be more difficult than many of the other Sovereign 150’s. They are much more difficult than the Piedmont 150’s and Sweet Caporal 150’s, but very similar to the EPDG’s as far as difficulty. Dahlen Sovereign 150 seemed to be the most difficult for me which is interesting because Dahlen EPDG is the most difficult EPDG Elite 11. I also feel that Elite 11 Hindu’s are more common than other Brown Hindu’s.

Since we are talking about Sovereign’s and there’s another post about Sovereign’s and the original 150, which I don’t believe there to be any exact numbers, I figured I’d share my Sovereign 150 difficulty breakdown list. It’s in 4 sections from most difficult to easiest. Obviously, this is only my opinion.

These cards are from a group of 150 only cards. No 350 backs were made with any back. These are the most difficult Sovereign 150’s. (11/150)
Ames, Red (Hands At Chest)
Brown, George (Chicago)
Brown, Mordecai (Cubs On Shirt)
Burch, AL (Batting)
Donlin, Mike (Fielding)
Doyle, Larry (Throwing)
Evers, Johnny (Cubs On Shirt - Blue Sky)
Pattee, Harry
Pelty, Barney (Horizontal)
Powers, Mike
Reulbach, Ed (Glove Showing)

These cards are from the Elite 11 card group. These are cards that can only be found with a Sovereign 150 and not Sovereign 350 back. These are the second most difficult Sovereign 150’s.(10/150)
Dahlen, Bill (Boston)
Ewing, Bob
Ganley, Bob
Jones, Tom
Karger, Ed
Lindaman, Vive
Mullin, George (Throwing)
Schaefer, Germany (Detroit)
Shaw, Al
Spencer, Tubby

These are cards that can only be found with a Sovereign 150 and not Sovereign 350 back. These are the third most difficult Sovereign 150’s. (60/150)
Alperman, Whitey
Ball, Neal (New York)
Bates, Johnny
Beaumont, Ginger
Bergen, Bill (Batting)
Bowerman, Frank
Bradley, Bill (Portrait)
Bransfield, Kitty
Chance, Frank (Portrait - Red)
Chase, Hal (Portrait - Pink)
Chase, Hal (White Cap)
Chesbro, Jack
Clarke, Fred (Portrait)
Clarke, J.J.
Cobb, Ty (Portrait - Green)
Conroy, Wid (Fielding)
Covaleski, Harry
Crandall, Doc (Portrait No Cap)
Davis, George
Davis, Harry (H. Davis On Front)
Delehanty, Jim
Doolin, Mickey
Durham, Bull
Evers, Johnny (Portrait)
Gibson, George
Gilbert, Billy
Hahn, Ed
Hemphill, Charlie
Herzog, Buck (New York)
Hinchman, Bill
Jordan, Tim (Portrait)
Keeler, Willie (Portrait)
Killian, Ed (Hands At Chest)
Konetchy, Ed (Glove Above Head)
Lajoie, Nap (Throwing)
Lake, Joe (New York)
Leach, Tommy (Portrait)
Lobert, Hans
Lumley, Harry
Magee, Sherry (Portrait)
Marquard, Rube (Hands At Side)
Mathewson, Christy (White Cap)
McIntyre, Harry (Brooklyn)
McQuillan, George (Ball In Hand)
Overall, Orval (Portrait)
Owen, Frank
Pastorius, Jim
Powell, Jack
Ritchey, Claude
Rucker, Nap (Portrait)
Schlei, Admiral (Catching)
Schmidt, Boss (Throwing)
Schulte, Wildfire (Front View)
Spade, Bob
Steinfeldt, Harry (Portrait)
Tannehill, Lee (L. Tannehill On Front)
Tinker, Joe (Portrait)
Wagner, Heinie (Bat On Left Shoulder)
Wilhelm, Kaiser (Hands At Chest)
Williams, Jimmy

These are cards that can be found with a Sovereign 150 and Sovereign 350 back. These are the least difficult Sovereign 150’s. (69/150)
Abbaticchio, Ed (Brown Sleeves)
Ames, Red (Portrait)
Bell, George (Hands Above Head)
Bender, Chief (Portrait)
Birmingham, Joe
Bresnahan, Roger (Portrait)
Bridwell, Al (Portrait - No Cap)
Brown, Mordecai (Portrait)
Camnitz, Howie (Arms Folded)
Cicotte, Ed
Clarke, Fred (Batting)
Cobb, Ty (Bat On Shoulder)
Criger, Lou
Criss, Dode
Devlin, Art
Donlin, Mike (Seated)
Donohue, Jiggs
Donovan, Wild Bill (Portrait)
Dooin, Red
Dougherty, Patsy (Portrait)
Elberfeld, Kid (Portrait - New York)
Ferris, Hobe
Flick, Elmer
Goode, Wilbur
Griffith, Clark (Portrait)
Isbell, Frank
Jacklitsch, Fred
Johnson, Walter (Portrait)
Jones, Fielder (Hands At Hips)
Jones, Fielder (Portrait)
Joss, Addie (Portrait)
Keeler, Willie (With Bat)
Kleinow, Red (New York - With Bat)
Kling, Johnny
Lajoie, Nap (Portrait)
Leifield, Lefty (Pitching)
Liebhardt, Glenn
Manning, Rube (Batting)
Mathewson, Christy (Portrait)
McGraw, John (Finger In Air)
McGraw, John (Portrait - No Cap)
Merkle, Fred (Portrait)
Murphy, Danny (Throwing)
Nicholls, Simon (Hands On Knees)
Niles, Harry
Oldring, Rube (Fielding)
O'Leary, Charley (Portrait)
Parent, Fred
Seymour, Cy (Batting)
Sheckard, Jimmy (No Glove Showing)
Shipke, Bill
Smith, Frank (F. Smith)
Stahl, Jake (No Glove Shows)
Stone, George
Stovall, George (Portrait)
Sullivan, Billy
Tenney, Fred
Tinker, Joe (Hands On Knees)
Turner, Terry
Waddell, Rube (Portrait)
Waddell, Rube (Throwing)
Wallace, Bobby
Walsh, Ed
Weimer, Jake
White, Doc (Portrait)
Willis, Vic (Portrait)
Wiltse, Hooks (Portrait - No Cap)
Young, Cy (Bare Hand)
Young, Cy (Portrait)

[t206kid]

Ron, this is really great work. I strongly agree with the categories, although I think the top group is far more difficult than the Elite 11 group.

While there are a couple outliers from the Sovereign 150 and 350 list (Cobb bat on, Lajoie, Jones standing, Tenney, Criger, Clarke batting to name a few)...this is the best way to break things down imo.