Negative experience with Billyscards

[JoeDfan]

The original deal for the Ruth bat started on the BST section here on Net54.
Although, I also saw it on eBay, so naturally, I figured out who the eBay seller was.
But, we made the deal for the bat via email, and not on eBay. During one of the last emails for the bat, I made a comment to the effect of "love that Gehrig photo"; because I had seen his other eBay items.
We finished the deal for the Ruth bat; and as I said, I was perfectly happy with that.
Then at some point either he or I inquired about the photo comment, we went back and forth on numbers, etc. I thought we had a deal, and he took the eBay listing down.
So, although his items were on eBay, our deals did not originate there, if that makes sense.
But perhaps that is a relevant fact; so I want to make sure my story is transparent.

To Leon's point: I did NOT lose any money.
The ONLY deal we COMPLETED went fine, and he sent the bat right on schedule. So I have no issue with the deal for the Ruth bat.

My issue is that we came to agreement for the photo, then he withdrew, citing it having a "special spot" with the family. Then, one week later, listing in eBay again for double the price.
I think that is just a jerk move.

But again, maybe because I am mad about it, perhaps I am wrong here somewhere. If I am, then for sure, someone tell me, because I would want to know it.

And HOLY COW, I totally didn't mean to start anything here between Mullins and Toppsguy! That was totally not my intention.

Sean

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think you're justified in being pissed. The guy backed out of a deal and in my opinion his conduct does not suggest a legitimate reason for having done so.

I also give you credit for naming the other party. So often guys don't and the information ends up being useless to the Board.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think you're justified in being pissed. The guy backed out of a deal and in my opinion his conduct does not suggest a legitimate reason for having done so.

I also give you credit for naming the other party. So often guys don't and the information ends up being useless to the Board.

What an ironic post, Peter. You claim to know much more information than you’re willing to share about the evils of this hobby, yet you hold back.

Again, I’m on your side, but if you truly want to fight the sh*t, share what you know.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

What an ironic post, Peter. You claim to know much more information than you’re willing to share about the evils of this hobby, yet you hold back.

Again, I’m on your side, but if you truly want to fight the sh*t, share what you know.

The only irony is you implying I am somehow doing less than my best in this effort when as far as I can tell you haven't done a damn thing.

Anyhow, as we discussed the last time you raised this, the people in a position to do something about this know who the card doctors are.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The only irony is you implying I am somehow doing less than my best in this effort when as far as I can tell you haven't done a damn thing.

I respect what you’ve done, but you have the ability to do so much more, but you don’t. You have names, but you won’t reveal them. I don’t have the history and background you do, so my ability to “do a damn thing,” other than make a bunch of noise, which is fu@king fruitless, is limited.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I respect what you’ve done, but you have the ability to do so much more, but you don’t. You have names, but you won’t reveal them. I don’t have the history and background you do, so my ability to “do a damn thing,” other than make a bunch of noise, which is fu@king fruitless, is limited.

And just what are you or anyone else going to do, Sam, with a list of say 10 card doctors who don't sell directly but consign to auction houses or sell through PWCC or other ebay sellers?

My impression is that nobody, or not many, here listen anyhow, I've cautioned people for years about PWCC and the response largely has been to ignore or mock me. People including yourself I imagine just keep buying and buying and buying. So to what end am I going to name a bunch of names on a public chatboard and thereby expose myself to the risk of retribution from criminals? And make no mistake, these are criminals.

I'll just go about it my way, and sorry if it isn't good enough for you.

[JoeDfan]

Billyscards emailed me and apologized "for the inconvenience caused".

Then he did email again and offer to complete the deal; but I politely declined for two reasons:
1) I feel like I should listen to the advice of my good friends and just move on. If something went wrong during the transaction (and I am not implying that it would), then I feel like that would just be my own fault for sure.
2) He clearly wants more for it than I was willing to pay.

Perhaps my thinking here is wrong, and I should in fact pay when I was the one who complained in the first place. Some advice there would certainly be welcome.
However, I have no doubt he will be able to move the photo quickly if he wants. But just not to me.

In any event, Billyscards, thank you for the Ruth bat. It is one of the capstones of my collection, and I absolutely love it.
I sincerely hope that whatever issues, medical or otherwise, you are facing, they are not serious, and good luck buying/selling/collecting in the future.

Thank you everyone who gave me their opinion/advice. I appreciate it, even if you think I might be wrong (which, as I said, is certainly possible).

Also, I don't get to play in the sandbox of cards that involve PWCC, but I do also appreciate ANYONE who works to keep everything honest.

Sean