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It's ok with a significant other though.
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But I like forking a whole lot better
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One Note on 1952 Topps Mantles. Remember Al Rosen found that cache of unopened 1952 Hi #s circa 1986. Those cards almost all came out clean and sharp and I could tell whenever I saw a find card at shows for the next few years. This card could be (and may well be) an absolutely legit 8.
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"Hi, I'm Bob, and I think it's totally OK with spooning cards! I just spooned my 51' Bowman Mantle last night! Wanna' see it? Hehe!" Have you ever read anything like that on here, David? I haven't and I've been on here for quite a while. And I also don't believe that people on this forum would be OK with soaking cards in chemicals. Some of these chemicals can turn your card brittle and then you know what happens next, right? |
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CONSERVING is defined as: a careful preservation and protection of something
PRESERVATION is defined as: to keep safe from injury, harm, or destruction : protect. RESTORING is defined as: to return (something) to an earlier or original condition by repairing it, cleaning it, etc. FRAUD is basically defined as: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value When you send your cards in to PSA/SGC/BGS you are CONSERVING your valuables by having them encased. Shellacking a baseball was intended to CONSERVE. Brent and possibly Moser bought cards, cracked them out of their slabs, RESTORED them and then committed FRAUD by not disclosing the work they did. |
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1000% AGREED!!! A Heritage purchase to an Ebay flip in under 5 months. And to sell it on Ebay thru a seller who is currently embroiled in a scandal. Seems like awful timing to me.
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Bobby you probably have VCP. If you do how many PSA 8 Mantle's have been sold in a public forum in the past 12 months?
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I am no expert on any of this and just read what people have to say. As I said it seems that some of these methods that I would think constitute alteration are accepted by some and once you go from virgin cards to an attempt to improve their appearance you have started the process and there doesn't appear to be a 100% consensus on the matter. |
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According to PSA's auction prices tracker, three PSA 8's, and one PSA 8.5 have sold (all via Heritage Auctions) in the last 12 months. Steve
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I don't know what this means, but now, when you go to PWCC's website, this PSA 8 1952 Topps Mantle no longer shows up.
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According to VCP the latest PSA 8 Mantles since the beginning of 2017:
2/24/19 Heritage $456,000 11/16/18 Heritage $430,200 8/19/18 Heritage $420,000 5/6/18 REA $300,000 2/24/18 Heritage $360,000 11/17/17 Heritage $408,000 8/20/17 Heritage $384,000 5/6/17 Memory Lane $462,000 2/25/17 Heritage $660,000 |
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I thought that replaced buy the card not the holder as the new net54 motto. The posts criticizing fellow collectors for how they choose to spend their money are getting old as well.
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If true that's a shame. I highly doubt those commenting in this thread were bidding any way. It's usually good for the market when big cards like that go to auction. I think it would have done well.
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The more you see, the more you know that Brent Mastro is a common criminal. Nothing really special just a high tech crook. He is a effing idiot of biblical proportions and if people want to continue to spend their $$$ with him, feel free. You earned it the old fashioned way by not ripping people off, so go ahead. This is America and we can do what we want. Happy 4th of July! I personally will not buy another baseball card period probably until the day I die or Brent Mastro is behind bars. That's just the way I roll. And to the guy who mentioned about Autographs...I stopped that nonsense 4 years ago when e-bay stopped pulling fakes and let 90% forgeries enter the market unchecked. Though it's difficult to stop because I've loved it for 50 years, I try to stand for right and wrong. This Bullshit that Brent Mastro has been pulling is flat out wrong no matter how you slice it and I'm not going to be party to the ridiculousness of the hobby. I won't sell them just like the autographs, they will sit. Only 150K wrapped up in them both, so it's not the end of the world and it was fun for a time. Now there is more money for fake benjamins, fake cars and maybe some more fake gold. it is no longer fun when criminals dominate the hobby. You guys go right ahead and enjoy the ass poundings though. |
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It’s gonna be very very difficult to prove ..........imo prob will not be criminally prosecuted
PSA Zero chance PWCC Zero chance Doctor Zero Zero Zero chance They’ve got nothing... Business as usual ....This hobby is the wild wild best always has been always will be...up to buyer to be smart :-) We all know this and will be fine :-) Last edited by Johnny630; 07-04-2019 at 10:42 AM. |
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I Have to disagree. I see someone, ie doctor or pwcc getting nabbed for trimming, something related to this, fraud, money laundering, etc
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Even if most commenting here already have a 52 Mantle, which I find unlikely, I doubt more than 1 or 2 would consider bidding on this card regardless of the venue. I own one, but certainly can't afford an 8.
Cards of this caliber don't change hands that often, and even when they do I'd bet more often than not they do so privately. It would be a shame if a site that should be promoting the hobby is actually discouraging the public sale of such an important card.
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It should be sold by an honest seller, or at least one that hasn't been exposed yet. You make me laugh.
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So many high grade cards, Highest prices for eye appeal So many eyeballs Secure packing Who could possibly fill that void?
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His company will be fine.... he buys back the bad cards....PSA then buys them back from him and updates the Pop End of Story ...... Hush Hush Hush People Forget and Many Don’t Know Or Could Care Less They Beat Goes On End Of Story Last edited by Johnny630; 07-04-2019 at 05:36 PM. |
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Anyone remember WIWAG?
The current happenings will basically go the same way. Steve
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It's not whether or not it's acceptable.... It's CRIMINAL without disclosing it PERIOD. That's the point. Head, Point. I made a funny son. |
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So, if PWCC buys back the bad cards, what happens to these cards? Are they destroyed? Are they relisted along with a disclosure that they have been doctored? Do they work with PSA to update the POP reports:? Are they sent back to Moser to clean them up a little more?
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